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27 May, 2006

The land of white suits

Tourist tip: if you're planning to enjoy Dubai's nightlife, don't forget to abide by the dress code, or you're likely to be refused entry in many places. Wear a white suit.

A white suit. Not a brown suit and definitely not a black suit, that's completely unacceptable in most venues.

Doesn't matter how rich you are, or how presentable, or how important: white suits only please. Men and women. Thank you for your time.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if the bouncers refuse to let me in, giving feeble excuses such as, 'Members only,' or 'Couples only,' while people in black or brown suits waltz past me into the club and the bouncer doesn't utter a word to them?
When I question why guys in black or brown suits are being let in, he says, 'They're regulars,' or they booked a table.'

Del

27 May, 2006 17:04  
Anonymous Vybe said...

make that wrinkled white suits..

27 May, 2006 17:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Name and shame is what I say. Barzaar has had it share of suit selection certain nights

27 May, 2006 17:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GulfNews: Have you ever faced racism in UAE's NightClubs?

EVERY TIME!! That's how many times we face racism in UAE's Nightclubs. Even though I am fair, and most of my friends are from India, we (mixed groups) are denied entry at Dubai & Abu Dhabi nightclubs. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous. Sometimes we flash stacks of money to show these bouncers that we are monetary eligible to be entertained at their nightclubs. Its embarrassing and every good nightclub does this. My boyfriend personally tips the bouncers 100 bucks to remember his group of friends. How sad is that? DTCM needs to take severe action against all the high classy night clubs. We Indians have the money to buy you guys out and yet they treat us like trash. And if you ask any Indian, they will tell you the same thing, "Yeah! Only reservations or guests are allowed". But then you see flocks of white stags and couples walking in. It's frustrating and extremely embarrassing. Look at the nightclubs in Toronto or NYC. 100 times better than Dubai's night scene and yet very gracious to every colour of human race that walks in. And who causes the fights in Dubai clubs. The Arab men. But the brown people get the stop sign and the white people watch and laugh. Dubai is sick.

27 May, 2006 18:01  
Blogger Shaper85 said...

Racism in the UAE?!?? NO!

27 May, 2006 18:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They said that 5 clubs are regularly mentioned in regards to racism or being a "white" expat club, why not name and shame? Which clubs are they??

27 May, 2006 18:30  
Blogger ReginaFilangee said...

in all my time there, i never once thought UAE was racist.

27 May, 2006 19:02  
Blogger Earthbound Misfit said...

ah regina.

You are still alive?

How is the hometown
treating ya?

27 May, 2006 19:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just happened to me in Rock Bottom as I was with my colleagues, an indian guy, a chinese girl and a phillipina.
Since three years I am in Dubai, never happened to me to be stopped...
The worst part is that Rock Bottom is managed by an indian group !!!

27 May, 2006 19:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe this is the best part my friend (rock-bottom being managed by an indian group), you hail form a caste society, dont preach to me about racism and social equality.

27 May, 2006 20:36  
Anonymous desert_dude said...

to the Indian lady (anon 27/5 18:01): The bouncers are almost certainly taking their instructions from their employers. The employers know that the “goras” (white westerners) prefer to be with their “types” (not all are bigoted, but quite a few are – anecdotally this seems to be the case). Racism has different manifestations and complex explanations. Among the Arab/Islamic/sub-continental world’s so-called educated elite there is a propensity to consider all things Western to be superior, even if what has been imported from the West is sub-par in all respects. This theme goes beyond nightclubs and is sadly part of life at the workplace here too. Some of us from this region (due to a post-colonial subservient mentality) actually end up encouraging an inferior Westerner (professionally inferior I mean) to act as if he is God’s gift to workplace. I am afraid many of your docile and malleable Indians/Pakistanis encourage this themselves. At work I watch with amazement how white Westerners are given preferential treatment. Case in point: an incompetent Brit with no university education (barely scraped through O levels) or relevant experience and who was probably a lower level clerk in London ends up being rapidly promoted and becomes a senior official in a financial outfit-- the highly educated Indian sod ends up being his grunt; there are scores of such examples. I often hear goras talking with great arrogance (perhaps compensating for their intellectual shallowness) about how they have come to train [“civilise”] this part of the world. At Western dominated expat professional functions, there is almost inevitably the same old banal, clichéd banter about “polygamist Easterners”, the horridness of the hijab, extreme cruelty to women etc etc… from their eloquent deliveries one would think that the West was Utopia. But we all know that isn’t the case. A reminder to such people that paedophilia, incest, rape, crimes against women etc aren’t exactly unheard of in the West makes them grunt and break out in sweat – no no…desis aren’t supposed to talk like that.

So Indian lady – that’s that way it is I am afraid. Things will probably change in due course but for some time to come second rate white Westerners/Aussies/South Africans will continue to be given superior treatment in this part of the world – at clubs and at work. Options: move back to India or head off to NY/LA if you find this too upsetting….. At least in America meritocracy prevails to a very large degree.

27 May, 2006 20:57  
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27 May, 2006 21:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

desert_dude >> Just look at what you wrote, you are scary. You match racism with racism and cliches with cliches. I would not want to associate with you ever -- and reading you makes me actually happy that Indians are not let in nightclubs.
It is certainly not sympathy you were trying to elicit in us -- blog readers -- for these zillions of unappreciated Indian university graduates... so what was it?
Anna

27 May, 2006 21:27  
Blogger Dubai Entrepreneur said...

In my clubbing experience in Dubai, trouble has consistently been from Indians thinking they're Compton. I am sure that every ethnic group has its fair share of idiots - but this has just been my personal experience.

It's also worth noting that clubs in other parts of the world also discriminate based on looks, weight, clothes, etc.

White 'suits' give prestige.. and in a country that has a majority of residents from the subcontinent, the prestige has even more value. It makes the club even more elite.

This is not to say that they are not let in.. they are just limited in number, making the club even more desirable.

Nothing personal, just business. Get over it.

[I'm not white]

27 May, 2006 21:50  
Blogger Shaper85 said...

@anonymous at 21:27

You match racism with racism and cliches with cliches. I would not want to associate with you ever -- and reading you makes me actually happy that Indians are not let in nightclubs.

Hmm a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

27 May, 2006 22:12  
Blogger secretdubai said...

and the white people watch and laugh

Really? Here's one who doesn't. And who would leave the club in digust if a group of Asian or African-appearance people were turned away when I was admitted.

The answer to this is not to start a whole load of let's-slag-off-euros. Remember who actually owns this country, who runs it, and who sets the policies. Regardless of a few deluded palefaces that might mistakenly think they're still in some colonial era with Trucial Scouts wandering around, in reality it sure as hell ain't whitey.

27 May, 2006 22:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey anon21:27, take your sympathy and shove it (yup right there)

27 May, 2006 22:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Regardless of a few deluded palefaces that might mistakenly think they're still in some colonial era with Trucial Scouts wandering around, in reality it sure as hell ain't whitey"

Very nice

27 May, 2006 22:59  
Anonymous desert_dude said...

Anna - what an indignant riposte ... how convenient...first of all I'm not asking you to associate with me. That is rather presumptuous of you. Just try to understand that there are a lot of "Failed In London Trying Hong Kong" types around here. Top Western professionals don't easily leave their jobs in medicine, science, and research to come to this part of the world. Unfortunately (historically) the Gulf has attracted a disproportionately large percentage of baser intellectual/cultural types from the West who are more bigoted and upstartish – such people tend to unfortunately look down on their host cultures and societies. The lady from India isn't necessarily seeking western company (nor am I as I have many existing, extremely decent western friends who themselves feel grossed out by the tackiness and arrogance of their fellow countrymen), she was just trying to get into a nightspot and was expressing her frustration. What peeves me off is when some expats have the gall to act so holier than thou, mock their generous hosts, while being so culturally and intellectually undeveloped themselves Such people conveniently fail to look at the ills in their own societies. As a small example, just look around at all the obese middle aged white men running around with philipinos who could be their granddaughters. It’s so perverse. An Australian fellow I came across spares no opportunity to mock the host culture but then will unashamedly drive while totally intoxicated – something he’d probably be very scared to do down under. When hypocrites like these act so superior and become the champions of “civilisation” one inevitably develops a deep sense of nausea. There are a lot of cheap, tacky, supercilious types who get special treatment here (as in the clubs) just because of their colour/nationality, while the people like the lady from India feel discriminated against. Don’t know if you catch my drift – if not sorry – don’t have the time to make it clearer to you Anna.

27 May, 2006 23:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you go girl!

27 May, 2006 23:20  
Blogger secretdubai said...

As a small example, just look around at all the obese middle aged white men running around with philipinos who could be their granddaughters. It’s so perverse.

="Graysian" couples

27 May, 2006 23:32  
Blogger Emirati said...

These are of course expats being racist to expats, with the locals trying to stop them.

How gleeful to see you forming your little race based cartels and groups. Like this country hasnt been split enough by your race based fiefdoms. Its adorable.

27 May, 2006 23:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember an incident at an Abu Dhabi night club in a hotel a couple years back... it involved a black Local who looked very 'western' in his night club clothers and as a result got turned away at the door. Unfortunately for the night club owner (an indian no less) this guys' father was high up in the Ministry of Interior and so got his ass fired and I think even deported.

28 May, 2006 08:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

story... three guys plan out a thursday night at jimmy dix reach the door... one of them a white american walks past... and rest two indians are stopped... well we wernt members... then the million $$ question why was my friend allowed... nitin ( the bouncer says) he is a regular... my answer... u dimwit.. he has just been here for the first time in his life.. on his 5 day trip. result.... bouncer looks at me... and says please leave the place....Yes its the management also.. but the bouncers are no less.. they are not trained ppl they are not like the UK bouncers... they just go to gym and have no anger management.. or any techniques.... bahhh well.. its mostly same all over .. i even complained to Lina at DTCM .. she sent a letter to the hotel.. the hotel says oh pls call them back and we will treat them to a free round of drinks.... yeah.... sure... since then well i have never been to that place .. or will ever... simple. they aint getting my money.

28 May, 2006 09:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

emirati: you all (presumably you are local) should try to forge a merit based society where there is some degree of equality. Desert_dude is quite right -- the neo-colonial attitudes need to be done away with. Interesting how club entry can have extended implications...!

28 May, 2006 09:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And voices singing out of empty cisterns and exhausted wells.

I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

28 May, 2006 09:51  
Anonymous sporadic supernova said...

ahh ... the age old issue ..

well .. I'm all for naming and shaming ...

Incident # 1 ... Rock Bottom(Bur Dubai) .. entry restricted. Have to pay entry Dhs.50/- to enter. 5 seconds later, half witted pale-skin with a "pay-by-the-hour girlfriend" arrives... asks the bouncer if they have a band? .. bouncer says yes and lets the halfwit through. sez he's a regular. ( yeah right ... a regular how does not know whether there was a band or not!!!)
I spend the (ruined) night at a friends place fuming about racism in UAE ... ahh .. the memories of a good night gone bad.

Incident # 2 "Boston Bar" ( Jumeirah Rotana Hotel) entry restricted ... I ask why ? .. he says he does not like the way I look ( Just like that ... imagine!!) I ask what was wrong? ( I was dressed decently mind you !! .. A good shirt, Khakis and shoes.. all branded too .. lol ) he says .. nothings wrong.. just who I am ... and I walk out not wanting anymore trouble, past the pimple sprouting teenage pale-skins who stood there laughing at my humiliation ( such a joy..!!)
another night ruined..

there's more ... but I'll just wait..

and BTW .. I’m an Indian ..( oh the shame ….yeah whatever)

28 May, 2006 10:45  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Anonymous lady,

People like you, should be sterilized. Or shot even.
You cannot "buy" out anyone. People are not commodities. You complain of racism and yet, you believe throwing money at bouncers is perfectly acceptable. Bribery doesn't work everywhere.
How horribly condescending of you. FYI: Money can't buy respect, or class for that matter.

And you'll have to go to Jimmy Dix on a saturday night to know that sub cons are pretty capable of bar room brawls. And fights aren't anything new....I bet clubs in the west or anywhere else in the world have their fair share of fights.
Why diss a whole race because you're ignorant and racist?

Stop it, you deluded Indian woman before you embarrass us all.

28 May, 2006 11:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a small example, just look around at all the obese middle aged white men running around with philipinos who could be their granddaughters. It’s so perverse.


White women don't want losers like that. Philippinas and Chinese are for white men who can't get white women.

The really annoying thing is, if these clubs were in London, who wouldn't want to go to such crap venues. You only go to Rick Bottom etc because that's all there is.
Then you get some puffed-up steroid addicted bouncer acting as if he's at Fabric.
Just last month I asked one, 'Do you think you could stop me from going in there?' He never replied. :)

Del

28 May, 2006 11:06  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Pussies, all of you.
Hiding behind your cloak of anonymity.
And Del, stick to the subject, will ya?
Why do you care if white men are going out with Filipinas young enough to be their daughters? Or granddaughters even?
How is that even remotely related to this post?

28 May, 2006 11:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ooo .. your implants are leaking ..

the sag is showing ..

28 May, 2006 11:31  
Anonymous desert_dude said...

Del: "Philippinas and Chinese are for white men who can't get white women" - slight correction required... Is it "can't get" or "can't handle"? Lot's of these guys can't deal with liberated, independent no-nonsense intelligent western women who can answer back to them - so they opt for the young oriental submissive types...lots of "respectable" white fellas in Dubai (as well as Indians and others)are having riotous flings with oriental gals.... oh wives beware....!! lol ...

28 May, 2006 11:56  
Blogger Earthbound Misfit said...

Temper Temper BreastImplants.

Or do we have to kick your subcon ass out of a blog as well.

Where is an electronic Bouncer when you need one??

;-)

28 May, 2006 12:24  
Blogger Earthbound Misfit said...

I am just too drained to comment on this.

This thing will never stop.

Our only option is for all people (regardless of colour) to just start boycotting these clubs - Hit them where it hurts.

p.s:

Does anybody from the UK, Europe or a anywhere other than the M.E think this kind of behaviour would be acceptable in their home countries?? Would you keep silent if you saw it back home?? THEN WHY THE HELL ARE WE KEEPING SILENT HERE??

28 May, 2006 12:30  
Blogger Earthbound Misfit said...

And before I get attacked, I was being sarcastic with my comment to Breast Implants.

28 May, 2006 12:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

earthbound: it's obvious...cos we whites are a bunch of racists and we enjoy the special VIP attention we get out here - back home we are just nobodies....!!!! reality eh!

28 May, 2006 12:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Del, stick to the subject, will ya?
Why do you care if white men are going out with Filipinas young enough to be their daughters? Or granddaughters even?
How is that even remotely related to this post?


It was in a previous post. I didn't introduce it to this thread.

Del

28 May, 2006 12:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Del: "Philippinas and Chinese are for white men who can't get white women" - slight correction required... Is it "can't get" or "can't handle"? Lot's of these guys can't deal with liberated, independent no-nonsense intelligent western women who can answer back to them - so they opt for the young oriental submissive types



Agreed
Del

28 May, 2006 12:36  
Blogger hannibal said...

Sadly Racism is apparent in many facets of life here.

Stand in a line at any queue at the telecom operator, any bank or at the supermarket checkout counter and see who will barge through and get attended to first.

as many have mentioned, go to the door of any nightclub and see who gets turned away and who gets let in.

drive on any road and see who are the ones who continuosly break the rules, be it hard shoulder driving, tailgating , pushing through on the outside at turnoffs or u-turns.

Yes its disgraceful, yes it should be stamped out BUT it's deeply ingrained in the psyche of the majority of inhabitants here ( both the perpertrators as well as the victims ) and unless its rooted out at an early age through education both in home and school, its not going to go away quickly

28 May, 2006 15:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about when white people get discrimiated against by Indians - I go to Karama and get charged twice as much as my Indidan friend when buying clothes and handbags

28 May, 2006 15:29  
Blogger hannibal said...

anon @ 15.29

I don't think you can classify 'lack of bargaining skills' or 'gullibility' as discrimination !!

28 May, 2006 15:42  
Blogger LadyOnTheTop said...

so there are ladies got turned away from clubs too ?
Never heard of that.

this subject was on papers before. It was mentioned that the clubs ownders say indians dont buy as much drinks as european. I dont know if this is true but i know that european do drink more in general as a culture thing. thus, clubs gets more revenue.

28 May, 2006 15:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe not, Hannibal. But that’s only because it’s not perpetrated on a typically downtrodden race. If a white shopkeeper charged twice as much to all non-whites, I think there might be charges of racism.

28 May, 2006 16:20  
Blogger desertblog said...

Oh I've heard a lot about this, Rock Bottom is one of the worst when it comes to such things. A friend of mine, British, lived in the UK all his life and his parents originally came from India in the 60s, came out to Dubai for a week and I took him to Rock Bottom. Just before we reached the entrance his phone rang, so I told him I'd meet him inside. I walk through, and 1 minute later he calls me on my phone to ask if I had to pay to get in. Confused, I reply that I didn't. Turns out they wanted Dhs50 from him as he wasn't a "regular". At the point I'm back outside wondering what the hell is going on and why they need 50 off him. The fool at the door muttered something about it being 'members only', meaning non-members have to pay.

I point out that I am hardly a regular (don't fancy a club where you're trying to fob off Russian hookers half the time), neither am I a member so if I don't have to pay then why should my friend? The idiot wouldn't give me a proper answer. In the meantime, loads of 'white suited' patrons sauntered in without having to cough up Dhs50, nor were they questioned to detemine their 'membership status', making it even more obvious this was a race-based issue that they had with my friend. So we decided to leave and go to another club.

Personally it ruined the whole evening for me and my friend. You could tell it put him in a bad mood for the rest of the night, and personally I was embarrased and shocked at the blatant, very 'in-your-face' discrimination. I later got to find out that the owner of Rock Bottom is Indian! Oh the irony. I hope one night he tries to get in without the bouncers recognising him and demanding Dhs50!

Well-chosen topic SD, think its a first for the UAE blogosphere..would love it if 7Days could cover it as well.

(In a rush so couldn't spell check, excuse the errors..)

28 May, 2006 16:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This looks like a brawl to me. People, are you dumb in missing the (original) secretDubai point here 'Remember who actually owns this country, who runs it, and who sets the policies?' We shitface each other and these (who(s) sit back and enjoy the slander we hurl at each other. Wake up and smell the coffee :-) Grow up, move on :-)

28 May, 2006 16:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should clubs admit Indians?
They are poor and dont bring prestige.

On the other hand, even an unemployed Caucasian high school dropout has an aura about him, and he is much more intelligent than an Indian PHd.

How do I know that? How come all Western countries are rich while India is poor? It is because Whites are smarter, more honest, and better in everything than even the smartest Indian. I challenge you all to prove otherwise.

Signed,
A typical racist

28 May, 2006 16:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be fair anon @16:20, they quote the same initial price regardless I've found. I get charged as much as my white friends till I let them know that I know that the store down the street has it for half price or whatever. It is just bargaining.

As for clubs that discriminate:
"Hello Rock Bottom"
"Yeah, I was wondering what the cover was?"
"Oh, for Europeans and British Sir, no cover"
"....."
"Sir?"
"So you're racist then?"
"Ummm..no sir...I...*click*"

I'm western educated so I sound pretty damned white. Also I'm very fair skinned and dont look subcon, so I never get bothered anyway. I get into that place free, but I refuse to go. No point in throwing a few hundred a week at them when they think its ok to treat humans differently thanks to color/race.

28 May, 2006 16:43  
Blogger hannibal said...

Anon @16.20 said "Maybe not, Hannibal. But that’s only because it’s not perpetrated on a typically downtrodden race. If a white shopkeeper charged twice as much to all non-whites, I think there might be charges of racism. "

too many issues to raise here, but

- I doubt very much downtrodden races as you put it are very bothered about 'fake' branded shoes , clothes or handbags. they are more concerned with basic necessities ( food , clothing, shelter, education) and even those are either getting too dear or are out of bounds for a majority of the middle class here, let alone the downtrodden races or masses.


- say whatever you will but the mantra here is ' make as much money as you can as fast as you can, in whatever way possible'. this is followed in all businesses BECAUSE they're in it for THE MONEY.

Even then there is a huge difference between a shopkeeper (who quotes a few dirhams higher so as to make a couple of dirhams more profit ) AND a real estate agent/broker ( who quotes about 20-30,000 dirhams more than the actual price for a flat)?


Again the shopkeeper will 'typically' be your brown suited man, whereas the real estate agent or broker 'could very well' be your white suited man. you'll curse the first and tell all and sundry how you've been cheated whereas you'll hardly comment so insultingly about the second.

- finally.. the basic premise of shopping for consumer goods is that the customer has a choice whether to buy or not to buy. If you think a price is too high in any shop with no fixed prices , you have the right to bargain or walk away.

28 May, 2006 16:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SD; you're enjoying this, aren't you? Yeah, me too; no point debating for it's pointless and never ending. hehe :-)

28 May, 2006 16:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People, we're all racists if caught at the right moment; so what else is new?

28 May, 2006 16:58  
Blogger SIN said...

You want to name and shame...
Rock Bottom (shame on u!!!)
Boudoir (Bilal at his best)
Trilogy (especially to Indian Surds who wear a headress)
Barzaar (on occasion)
Zinc (did in its haydays)
Boston Bar (Thursday nights, if you are a non-white and single)

28 May, 2006 16:58  
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28 May, 2006 17:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear A Typical Racist,

Let me commend you on your forthrightness, and accuracy. Sub-cons truly do not deserve to be allowed into clubs. Or any establishment. I have long proposed an absolute ban on Sub-cons and any institution that hires them in high positions. My current list includes Berkshire Hathaway (CFO is brown), Goldman Sachs (shitloads of VPs are brown), Merrill Lynch (as above), Morgan Stanley, Pepsi (CFO is brown), Microsoft (dont even get me started), Google (as above), AOL (as above), Intel, Cis....

Just read up on any fortune 500 company. And then dont give them business so they can stop giving the jobs us hardworking people deserve to those useless brown people.

Additionally, I call for a boycott of all Ivy League institutions (Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia, Princeton, UPenn, Brown) and near-ivies (MIT, Stanford, etc) - they have over 30% of their student population as asians while asians only comprise about 2-4% of the US population. Clearly, they are getting preference.

Regards,
A fellow typical racist

28 May, 2006 17:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you people like Jazz? Check out some jazz spots in town, no friggin bouncers there, no 'R' too but you gotta have class to go there; everybody's welcome :-)

28 May, 2006 17:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SD, save and forgive these poor souls for they know not what they speak. Next subject please :-)

28 May, 2006 17:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon@ 17.21

your nose is all brown

28 May, 2006 17:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Secret Dubai:
Thanks for bringing featuring this issue and thanks to Gulf News for the front page article!

After reading the posts it seems that the Rotana group takes the prize in racism. May I point out
DOUBLE DECKER @ the MUROOJ ROTANA.

Thanks

28 May, 2006 18:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear all those who have faced racism in the clubs,

Here's a solution: WRITE TO DTCM like it says in that article!!!

Trust me, I did and it got results - they fined the club and issued a warning letter.

" She encouraged people who felt they had been discriminated against to contact DTCM.

The fine

Clubs found guilty of doing so may be charged up to Dh20,000 and face temporary or permanent closure.

28 May, 2006 18:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Desertblog:
"Well-chosen topic SD, think its a first for the UAE blogosphere..would love it if 7Days could cover it as well."

Actually 7 days refused to cover this story or even mention it.

28 May, 2006 18:27  
Blogger Marine82 said...

Well figure this:

I am an American (caucasian) serving and visit Dubai often. I notice its the British expats of Dubai that have this racist or supremist attitude towards most.

Ofcourse there are exceptions and this does not apply to all. Thanks for bringing up this issue SD.

This happened last week:
Me and my buddies, all Americans, 4 whites and one African American go into this club but I guess the bouncer didnt realize we are in one group - so he pulls out our freind (no points for guessing which one).

When he asked the bouncer why were his freinds allowed to go in, the bouncer replied, "It's my choice, I let whoever I want in".

! Perhaps this region still is left 50 years behind in evolution - and no number of monsterous mega projects will bridge that gap

28 May, 2006 18:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marine82, even I couldn't have put in a way finer than you just did. Undoubtedly, the credit goes to SD for posting this classic. You ought to do this more often, let the people speak their minds :-)

28 May, 2006 18:55  
Blogger Marine82 said...

Thanks Anonymous.

By the way - I returned because theres no point in stating all that and not naming the bar:

DOUBLE DECKER

Reading previous posts it seems its quite well known for this.

28 May, 2006 19:01  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Earthbound Misfit,
Ahahahaha....kick me if I'm wrong; but this is the fucking problem here; we've got people complaining about racism and discrimination and frankly most of them are no better themselves.
Like our Indian lass who thinks she can "buy" people out.
Or the fella who called some westerner a "half-wit" all the while making assumptions that his companion was "pay by the hour".
How can you demand to be treated fairly, when you're as bad and probably worse?

And personally, boycotting makes no difference at all.
Like anyone's going to notice.
If my friends and I are ever denied entry, I demand to see the manager and I do not leave the bloody premises until I get in; because in all actuality, they never have any valid excuses not to let us in.

Walking away doesn't do shit....I'd rather stand and fight.

Del
LOL...how typical. Another person brings it up, and you follow. It still has no fucking relevance to this thread.

Besides, it takes TWO people to rumba....not like the young Filipinas were forced against their will, are they?

Since when did this become an attack on westerners?
Like SD said before; why don't you appropriate blame on the authorities rather than the clubgoers?

And about Boston Bar, you're all bloody deluded. Have you seen the crowd that goes there? Sure, there are a lot of white expats....but a sizeable number of subcons, arabs and filipinos too.
As for the single men who complain they're not allowed inside....I don't mind that rule at all.

And I'm sure a lot of ladies who've been perved on by lecherous men of all races, would wholeheartedly agree with me.

28 May, 2006 19:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEAR BLOGGERS,

here's a very real story, and i'd like to share it with all of you. this is not a very short msg unfortunately, but certainly no less interesting. i've read almost all the blogs posted here, so bear with me: the nightspot was at a rotana hotel. it was a mixed grp of ppl. all professionals working in lovely little Dxb, the men were all european featured, except Mr. J, who also just so happened to be the most appropriately dressed & had the greatest spending power, some women in the group were non-european, and unfortunately all in senior mgmt roles and all decently dressed. the irony of this story is that those who were discriminated against were urged to come along to the venue -Double Decker- on the basis that it was a great service experience. our european colleagues entered as a group of 4 males, another colleague followed seconds after, and was stopped and told he has to be a member or a couple-the classic phrase of a 300dhs/night supreme powered doorman (they call them bouncers here). so he sat waiting patiently for his female counterparts, funnily a large grp of white males with not 1 single female and all non-members because they were having their ID's checked, which also means they could've been underage, turn up at the grand gates. the profesionally trained doorman (or bouncer, if it's your part-time job) smiles and stands aside to welcome them in. so Mr. J walks up again and says are males alowed in now? and HRH bouncer says: NO! It's my own discretion to choose who i allow to enter!! fair enough, mr. j not realizing what's going on decides to sit and wait again. 5 minutes later the female colleagues arrive and greet mr. J and proceed to the grand gates of double standards-sorry i meant double decker. the ladies are questioned as though they have a price tag on their ear and mr. J is told he can't enter with them until he apologizes, but for what? for asking a question. the women are shocked, because mr. J's team just so happen to be the same people that host/entertain/cater to many of the high profile celebrities and highpowered 'visited dubai' names most of us only hear or read of the next day morning over coffee. but the doorman-sorry again i meant very powerful and highly trained 300dhs/night bouncer had his reasons. he doesn't like mr. j's complexion and he doesn't like the fact that mr. j was going to recommend the outlet to his guests when he is obliged to spend alot of money on keeping the dubai dream alive. :)

28 May, 2006 19:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

breast implants - missing a few important things.

1. I have friends who asked to speak to the managers and they got half-assed rough-housed out of the place. If you're a female, they cant touch you, but a guy cant really pull that.
2. wrt the single guy issue @ bostons. the problem isnt that they dont allow single guys. its that they dont allow single guys of a particular race. I've never had problems at that place, but I always have 2-3 girls with me. I have had friends who werent allowed in though.

28 May, 2006 19:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

vybe

Lol @ "make that wrinkled white suits.."

priceless.

28 May, 2006 19:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hawk eyes and a mind razor sharp, BreastImplants cuts through your rants with samurai efficiency.

28 May, 2006 19:59  
Blogger desertblog said...

Desertblog:
"Well-chosen topic SD, think its a first for the UAE blogosphere..would love it if 7Days could cover it as well."

Actually 7 days refused to cover this story or even mention it.


Never knew that, where did you hear this from? how long ago was this? I vaguely remember them publishing a letter from an angry clubber who felt he was denied entry to a club based on his race.

28 May, 2006 20:00  
Blogger FasterPussyCat said...

Interesting topic, as always.

28 May, 2006 20:02  
Blogger desertblog said...

I have heard many times of Double Decker having a racist door policy. At the same time I know a white, British colleague on his own who was denied entry even after showing them his ID. So, sometimes, it really might not be as simple as race.

28 May, 2006 20:03  
Blogger marwan said...

Well, if there's anything this post has shown me, it's that the people who are being excluded from these clubs can't seem to decide which of them - minority or majority - should be let in.

Naming and shaming also won't do a thing, as these establishments seem to be quite unaccountableas to the authorities.

Naming specific races as victims is also equally pointless, because for every generalization one provides, there will always be an exception from the 'favoured' race.

Rather, I'd like to see us all agree that discrimination - in any shape or form, whether encompassing ethnicity or financial status - is wrong and should be fought as fervently as possibly. And by fight,I mean, don't just refuse them your business. Let them know in no uncertain terms that their practices are totally unaccceptable; if you can't get in, kick up as much of a stink as you can before you go.

Otherwise, we all desereve to be kept waiting outside.

28 May, 2006 20:47  
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28 May, 2006 20:59  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Double Decker confounds me.
In my experience, the African bouncer is possibly more racist than the western one.
So adamant on enforcing the rules that he forgets what colour he is.
He refused to let two of my "colored" friends go in, while western single males walked right through the door

His excuse? It was couples only...apparently.

It's a shame really, because DD is a nice bar, and plays great eighties music.
And their drink deals are infinitely more reasonable than other places.

Anonymous said...

breast implants - missing a few important things.

1. I have friends who asked to speak to the managers and they got half-assed rough-housed out of the place. If you're a female, they cant touch you, but a guy cant really pull that.
2. wrt the single guy issue @ bostons. the problem isnt that they dont allow single guys. its that they dont allow single guys of a particular race. I've never had problems at that place, but I always have 2-3 girls with me. I have had friends who werent allowed in though.

The first point I agree with; men do have a tougher time trying to speak to the management. A feisty girl with you at all times should solve the problem.
I know that's half-assed, but I don't see how things will change unless the management starts treating its clientele with more respect.

As for the second point, I've seen arabs and caucasian men being turned away, and I do know that Boston bar really tries to keep the number of men in check.
Like Desertblog said, sometimes it's not always about race.

Remember, Boston Bar has FOUR drink vouchers for the women on Tuesdays and Thursdays. While Tuesday is ladies night pretty much everywhere else....it's rare to find a club or a bar which does that over the weekend.

Boston Bar wants more female clientele, isn't that obvious?
They should try harder though; staving off the pervs is becoming a chore.

Edit: I never censor my comments. Just added some stuff I thought was relevant

28 May, 2006 21:17  
Anonymous Roadworrier said...

As a US resident who frequents Dubai often, it is interesting to see the neo-colonial caste system in place, which is economic and racial. They seem to go hand in hand, which is a significant problem in Dubai.

A German guy I work with in Dubai has started giving military rankings - the white suits are the generals, the white faces are expat first class, those who have browner faces with college degrees are expat second class, everybody else is expat third class, although there are probably some subcastes even there. Four basic classes of civilization in Dubai. America may have its inequities - but they seem so much more proscribed and institutionalized in Dubai.

But I would stop short of bashing Westerners in Dubai as people who have failed elsewhere - especially Brits. Simple equation: NO RAIN + NO TAX + HIGHER SALARY = WHERE DO I SIGN UP? Yes, there are many who would not have done as well if they had stayed in their home territories. But recall that before the late '80s, Britain was economically not a great place to be. Same with the US in the late 70's. Once people then came over to this little part of the world, the secret slowly seeped out and you got more people - some better folks than others, obviously.

Americans do not benefit so much - the Dubai prices for housing have far outstripped most US cities (except maybe the top 3 or 4 expensive cities).

So we can talk about endemic racism in Dubai - but it wasn't invented overnight. It took decades to change American mentalities. And there are still several regions in the US (usually away from the east and west coasts) where an attractive white guy and an attractive black woman, holding down good professional jobs, may have a particularly difficult time getting people to come to their wedding, and at the very least will get stared at when they come walking down the street or walking into a restaurant.

28 May, 2006 22:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets not compare America to Dubai. A trip down middle america and tea with good 'ol rednecks will change your whole outlook on racism.

Anyways, breast implants - Somebody find a doctor to get implants into her head coz it could use some sizing up.

The african bouncer can't be blamed for his managements policy and - singles not to be allowed into a bar? Thanks for assuming all the singles out there to be pervs. keep talking.

28 May, 2006 23:14  
Blogger The Wanderer said...

People!

Party and drink at home! If everyone stops visiting these joints altogether, atleast for a while, then the fun will begin

:D

28 May, 2006 23:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

denied entry? OOOh sounds like fun!

Are those white suits supposed to be Linen? or does a white velour suit ala p. diddy count too?

And since we're talking about dress codes and entry and clubs and all .. How come the dress code for women these days is less is more at clubs in Dubai? Really I mean I don't want to see the bad boob job attached to your chest like half oranges glued on .. UGH .. or the flab falling over the side of those oh too tight pants and crop top that is caught somewhere between the unsupported bust and the first roll of 3 or four .. or the cellulite on the back of your thighs or the ass crak cuz you wore low rider's and wanted to show off the new g-string you bought from La Senza ..just cuz britney spears did it doesn't mean you can! I also definitely don't want to see men jumping around in what they think is cool but actually a borrowed look from last year's MEXX Spread or Truworth's. Seriously, you want to get in start dressing like you belong in there ..and while I'm on a roll .. Dubai is clicky ! Its the way it is .. When you try to not be clicky with people they still end up being clicky and back stabbing you .. at work .. while you're out .. having dinner .. lunch .. at the spa .. I tip the woman 30 dirhams after my hair cut and what do I get .. a stiff smile .. as if she's done me a favor .. I paid for the haircut and the manicure and I don't even get thank you please come again and when I do come again they don't remember me .. and I have to explain again that these are my real nails for the hundredth time .. serves me right should have stopped going after the second time it happened .. It's like everyone's got a chip on their shoulder .. I try to talk to the man that lives downstairs in our building and give him money to wash my car once a week .. he washes it the first time and never bothers again and takes my money .. I ask for 50 dirhams in gas the attendant fills it up with 25 and tries to stiff me for the other 25 saying maim you're done .. Takes my fifty and turns around and I wait for change .. Where's my change .. You don't get any .. You didn't fill it for 50 .. Yes I did .. You lying piece of XXXX You did not where's the indicator on the gas pump .. No sorry maim that's not yours .. RIGHT .. where's your manager .. DHL looses a shipment for a client and I have to pay 4000 dollars in losses and the sub-con individual on the phone doesn't have the sense to tell me it was lost when he should have instead its being delivered in two hours .. Give me a break .. and on the subject of whose got the money .. Its not about if you've actually got it or not .. I would have thought everybody here had already clued into this little game in Dubai its actually about whether you look like you've got it or not .. and Khakis don't say you've got it .. Nor do white suits .. linen or not .. It's your attitude .. Start carrying yourself around like you own this place .. you'll get some respect at the club .. Double Decker and otherwise ... Personally Double Decker is a big fat bore if it wasn't for the very cushioney and delightfully comfortable couches to sit on .. Stop making this about being Sub-con or not .. or white or not .. make it about what it is .. you flash like you have money you're someone .. doors open for you .. you don't you aren't .. and you're trying to cheat others out of it and make their lives a miserable hell .. just cuz you're bitter .. if you're a woman with boobs you're more likely to get your way but once in a while you'll run into a man that doesn't really give a crap if they're 34 D or 34 A. It's not racism .. It's servicing the greater good of clientele .. Why hang around in a place where sub-con are serviced the same as the supreme white master .. and the white master will always spend on his pleasures .. These places are ultimately servicing the long-term not the short term .. and please .. sub-con. India has its own little caste system going on .. I'm not one for racism .. but if you're going to whine withuot taking iniative .. and learn how to adapt .. get over yourself .. and since some chickie dee thinks shes got the money to buy us all out .. why don't you go ahead and do that .. you're skirt wasn't short enough and the dimwit you were with was wearing khakis (I don't care if they were by Steve Madden) Next time drive up in a ferrari maybe they'll let you in .. I know a hell of alot of people that aren't arab or white .. that go out and buy one beer and take all night to drink it .. Whine whine whine that's all I hear .. you got it a hell of alot better then you do elsewhere as do I .. but here's a tip from someone that's perfected the game .. money talks bullshit walks .. but what do I know .. I'm just a blonde that's only ever had to smile and squish her boobs together to get what she wants .. and flutter my eyelashes too ..

Incidentally Trader Vic's doesn't discriminate .. enjoy your nights out in Dubai ..

28 May, 2006 23:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh she's blonde. That explains it.

28 May, 2006 23:28  
Blogger Earthbound Misfit said...

A very cynical, smart and evil blonde....


p.s:
This has been the best comment thread by far. Some absolute gems in here...

29 May, 2006 00:29  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Anyways, breast implants - Somebody find a doctor to get implants into her head coz it could use some sizing up.

The african bouncer can't be blamed for his managements policy and - singles not to be allowed into a bar? Thanks for assuming all the singles out there to be pervs. keep talking.


Dear Selective Reader:
Ahahahahaha....granted my comments are REALLY long this time.
But by god, did I bore you so much that you read what you wanted to believe?

Idiot.

29 May, 2006 00:57  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Ahahaha...
Anon Blondie, thanks for the reality/apathy check.
I was so fired up a while ago, I was fervently formulating a letter with all the instances of racism I've encountered at night clubs.

Meh...goddamn you PMS!

29 May, 2006 01:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks I needed that...Still I did like the implant on head comment. I might have even wrote the whole thing to justify that stupid line! BLAM!
Selective Reader

29 May, 2006 02:02  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

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29 May, 2006 02:19  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Eh...a little psychotic, aren't you?
All that for me?

And I'm sorry your efforts were wasted.
As entertaining as it was.

29 May, 2006 02:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's my racist list of shame in Dubai:

1) Double Decker
2) Budoir
3) Barzaar

I am a black brit. May I also add that I am in the travel industry - and Dubai is the ONLY city that I have felt discriminated in.

29 May, 2006 04:08  
Blogger Woke said...

Interesting.
I would like to point out that this is not confined to Dubai. Even back in India, there are a few pubs and bars which would let a white guy in without questions while stoppping their own countrymen! But these are isolated incidents at the most and does not reflect the overall outlook. If you take it in a broader context, say like in a workplace, it is much much worse in Dubai.
In other countries, generally your salary is determined by your skillset, experience and communication skills. But in Dubai, and this is considering my personal experience as well, the discrimination is only too evident. To cite an incident, I know of an Indian friend who has a professional events management degree, 3 years of solid experience and excellent communication skills being paid one third of her South African counterpart who has apparently a diploma in fashion technology and still heads the department(Events Management).
I think the root of the problem is the composition of the Dubai population itself. Most expats has come to Dubai (and this might be gradually changing) because they were not good enough professionally in their home country or simply to make more money - not to add value to their career or outlook. Let's face it, Dubai is anything but a 'melting-pot' of cultures- but rather a volatile mixture of cheap champagne and rotten aloo gobi maintaining an forced equilibrium inside an oil-soaked money bag.

29 May, 2006 10:51  
Blogger Sox said...

Anonymous said...
Here's my racist list of shame in Dubai:

1) Double Decker
2) Budoir
3) Barzar

Three of my favourite places...

29 May, 2006 11:30  
Blogger desertblog said...

Anonymous said...
Here's my racist list of shame in Dubai:

1) Double Decker
2) Budoir
3) Barzar

Ugly Camel said:

Three of my favourite places...


Not that you were ever known for having exceedingly good taste anyway..

29 May, 2006 11:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not cynical .. I'm just sarcastic .. and bad boob jobs annoy me as do holier then thou attitudes .. we're all from adam and eve .. deal with things and grow up .. I too am discriminated against all the time cuz I'm blonde and a woman.. but I've learnt to make the best of it .. I don't whine or get mad .. I get even ! Yay!

29 May, 2006 11:36  
Blogger LizzieD said...

I think we will all agree that racism exists the world over. The difference between a place like the US (And I hail from the South, one of the most racist places in my country) and Dubai is that at least there are laws against racism in the States and each generation that grows up with these laws slowly becomes more tolerant. Until the UAE adopts anti-racism laws and measures AND enforces them, there's no incentive for people to change their basest behavior. And this goes for a lot of the problems in this country.

29 May, 2006 11:37  
Blogger Sox said...

anonymous @ 11.36

So you're a bit thick then?

29 May, 2006 11:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea what you mean by thick .. if I am to reference it within my North American slang catalogue you would be saying I'm not too bright .. if that's the case .. then my retort is as follows: Obviously not as thick as you.

If that's not what you mean .. well I'm drawing a blank .. excuse the blonde in me ..

29 May, 2006 11:50  
Blogger hannibal said...

A whole lot of arguments have been brought forward , discussions have gone way off topic, but the simple questions and answera are as follows

Q does racism exist in dubai?
A. YES in many forms.

Q. as regards nightclubs , why is the racism so 'in your face'?
A. because the owners/ managers want it that way and unless threatened, bullied or coerced by the HIGHER AUTHORITIES will not change.

Q. As some say, when refused entry, what is the recourse?
A. make a point of complaining to the DTCM and follow up. if the offending clubs are fined and made to pay penalties, they'll learn a lessson. they might still continue but at least they'll think twice

my point of all the above is simply this :
if one is well dressed, coherent, has the ability to pay and is adhering to the clubs policies ( if mentioned couples only, then couples only, but if nothing is mentioned the bouncers/ doormen/ retards shouldnt make the rules) HE OR SHE OR THEY should be allowed in no matter what colour suit they are wearing..
until the above happens, Racism will exist in the UAE

29 May, 2006 12:37  
Blogger Sox said...

Oh comeon Desertblog, give me a break, as you may or may not have seen, I'm hardly the most pc or serious person here am I?

29 May, 2006 13:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are those white suits supposed to be Linen?


From what I see, most (not all) white suits are made from very cheap material indeed.
Del.

29 May, 2006 13:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...But they appear to be of good quality, to brainless bouncers anyway.

Del.

29 May, 2006 14:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Todays Gulf News has a Hani attacking its article and claiming racism is justified. If Hani is an Arabic speaker, his probable stance is even funnier: "Racism against sub-cons is justified but racism against Arabs is bigotry"

I think this whole article is shameful and should not have been published. The racism in this country is probably the lowest in the world. And all I see this article doing is firing-up racism between people and encouraging it even further. From my point of view, nightclubs are private businesses and not some sort of public parks made to amuse the public. The owners have every right to let-in or stop people in whichever way they see serves the interest of the business. I hope not to see such articles in your newspaper in the future as it is only gives negative impressions about your newspaper and the country.
Hani
by email

http://www.gulfnews.com/tabloid/Special_Report/10043316.html

29 May, 2006 14:28  
Blogger desertblog said...

Regarding what someone said earlier about 7Days not wanting to even go near this topic, well if GN can talk about it then why can't they!

29 May, 2006 15:33  
Blogger snow white said...

I was refused entry from Lotus One for trying to go in with five friends (who happened to be male). Apparently, a woman plus four men is acceptable; five is too many - mind you, I bet that's what Paris Hilton says too! So, they lost the custom of six people ... and no, we've never been back, it's not worth the hassle.

29 May, 2006 16:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is surreal. ppl complaining about not being able to get into a nightclub in a muslim country. that its racist and would never happen in a non-muslim country. is it the same thing why mosques with notices sayin non-muslims prohibited

29 May, 2006 17:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

next step is each community group starting thier own clubs... and then we have ghettos for each race/socio-economic group... gay clubs... black clubs... Same as the west - we've arrived at the utopia!

29 May, 2006 17:45  
Blogger Mohammed UK said...

Excellent debate. Thanks, SD!

29 May, 2006 17:47  
Blogger inmotion said...

Dude what the hell is your point about the mosques?

How does that even relate?

29 May, 2006 18:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

racism in nightclubs = higher profit

More whites = safer and higher class

29 May, 2006 19:02  
Blogger John B. Chilton said...

Anyone for government quotas?: Mumbai Mirror

29 May, 2006 21:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to go to a club without the anxiety and potential pain of discrimination, go to New York City. I don't even understand what is so great about the night life in Dubai. Frankly speaking, we all know Dubai is such a wasteland so why push the envelope?

30 May, 2006 03:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Desert Dude you ROCK.....

I love your comments...why is your blogspot not showing >:/

30 May, 2006 05:45  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

Amazing. Especially as colour has no bearing on social interaction in the West anymore (as far as I've noticed at any rate). Ironic that one would face discrimination in a land where you are part of a majority and economically influential group. A sad hark back to the days of the Raj I dare say.

30 May, 2006 06:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SD: Great topic - over a 108 comments and still going strong despite three new posts!

While I am here - I have been to Double Decker twice - it seemed like a nice place - but I never realized how many people were affected by its racist policies till I read this blog.

Its a shame that us white coats are so tolerant of this practice here. As someone once said, racism is a reflection of the evolution of a society. I definitely want to be part of the evolved lot - and I cant understand that if we white coats speak out against racism back in our home countries why do we let it pass here????

30 May, 2006 08:54  
Blogger Woke said...

I think hannibal summed it up well.

30 May, 2006 09:13  
Blogger Del said...

test 123

30 May, 2006 11:59  
Blogger dkintheuk said...

Father lives in Dubai... I'm in the UK and have been to Dubai many times.
I'm white but my Brother-in-Law is Jamaican while the whole family was out in Duabi and we went out in the evenings, he would almost always get told he couldn't go in to anywhere we went.
Fact was, he has a great demeanour and could talk his way in but a couple of times he got a really racist response from door-men.
It is just the way Dubai is - the expat community was predominantly white in the early days (there were lots of asian workers but they got bought in cheap and didn't get to run shoulders with the important Arabs). So the white folk got to make things their way.
I dunno - it is like bigotry anywhere, there is just no state control and no recourse for complaint in most cases.
Dubai seems to like the halfway house between Arab and Western culture but it has to take on a more global attitude to other cultures also.
Not much else you can do to be honest, just be nice and polite and, if you are turned away, go and complain to the management immediately. Just make sure you are ploite and calm and they will be the ones who will mess up and get themselves in trouble.

Rob.

30 May, 2006 14:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here is well another list of shame
1. Rock Bottom - Owned by an indian .. manager is an indian.. so are the bouncers. but they behave as they are arabs.. dunno why they think they are cool by that... they are also the rambos of the club willing to fight and abuse people.

2. Jimmy Dix- owned by pegasus holding by a bloke called Imtayaz Panjwani also an indian divorced... dates has a fetish for divorced indian or brit women... his bouncers nitin... x bouncer of rockbottom.. ( well the whole staff is of rock bottom) is also a fighter... big black guy thinks he is a brit too...
3. boston Bar - dont know the name of the chick that runs it.. but ssupports her bouncer even if he is out of line and arrogant... and abusive. Lets only white girls dance on the bar on thursday nights...

4. Double Decker - new place same owner as boston.. ( rotana) its a pub.. for crying out loud.. not a night club.. but they have night club polocies... funny..
5. Budoir- nuf said....

THE best place to go.. the lodge... simple ppl... mind their own business the band is good... no fuss... n arguements.. bouncers dont bother much.. just ask u for age veri.. thats all.

2nd place hibiki in hayat regency if u fancy kareok .. over 10000 songs... friendly staff... do your own thing kind of place.

30 May, 2006 15:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok there is a diff in a bar a night club and a pub..... but it just seems here its just all the same... pub is somthing u can chill out for hours with ur mates... bars are places mostly themed .. singles bar or girls only bar and stuff... and night clubs.. well.. now those places dont have dinner tables just seating for few... rest the whole place is a dance floor... get my flow ppl.... but well.. this is sadland... why do i even bother.

30 May, 2006 15:32  
Blogger secretdubai said...

5. Budoir- nuf said....

I know of someone who was once refused entry to Boudoir for being too sluttily dressed*.

Beat that. They must have had the Pope in the VIP section that night or something.


*this person's regular dress sense best described as "pantomime whore", admittedly

30 May, 2006 16:19  
Blogger Del said...

dkintheuk said...
Dubai seems to like the halfway house between Arab and Western culture

Many Arabs have an identity crisis and try to convince themselves (and others) that they are white.
The Lebanese are the worse for this. OK, they're not strictly Arab (as they often remind you) but they're certainly not French or European either.

If the 'Arabs' ever heard the names Europeans call them behind thier back...

30 May, 2006 21:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

back off of Arabs and Lebs .. Del you have no clue what you're talking about .. Dr. Phil hasn't exactly released his license to bullshit yet to you ..

save the pyscho babble bullshit for the people that actually know how to talk it ..

Miss Money Bags - Whose money is it your flashing? Your daddy's or your boyfriend's? and since you have so much of it and can buy us all out ..open your own club .. name it Indians only and say no to whoever you like .. and I can certainly name a few bars and clubs in canada and the states where only select fair skinned people are allowed in .. so don't go harping about how its so much better out there .. if it is why the hell are you here then .. and yes maybe my arab men are stupid on occasion but they aren't taping me with a digi cam while I'm lying on the beach unsuspectingly .. its the indian guy with his hands down his pants .. so don't go knocking arabs or lebanese people .. We have our own little spots and I'm sure you don't wanna come join in on our little parties ..

and while I'm putting everyone in their place ..

Ding dong - Rock bottom isn't for servicing the greater clientele of Dubai its for the crew cut blonde heads that are here in transit - going in and out .. they neither have the time nor money to hit Barzar or similiar places ..and the locations of where they are put up for 3 or 4 days they are here are suspiciously close to Rock Bottom - put two & two together - as for Rotana bars .. try buying a boss suit with a rolex (fake or real - optional) and a money clip and get a proper hair cut with some proper gel in there .. shower and scrub really well before you go out ..spray on some of that Davidoff y'all are fond of and I assure you with some shiny new black shoes, a nice looking friend or two, your best smile and all the confidence in the world you'll walk right in .. if that doesn't work .. can't help you if you're walking in with a look on your face saying you're expecting to be discrimated against .. and no I don't mean to insinuate anything about hygiene with my comments .. spend as much time as half the other people of this town in front of the mirror and on your wardrobe .. you will get in ..

But once again .. what do I know .. I DONT JUDGE PPL BY THEIR RACE OR COLOR OF THEIR SKIN AND STEREOTYPE .. I'm just a blonde that gets what she wants .. grow the hell up and stop blaming everything on the color of your skin .. everybody gets the short end of the stick at times and if you can't deal and you need to resort to naming and shaming other people for their behaviour instead of rising above it and adapting .. you aren't much better ..

30 May, 2006 22:50  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

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30 May, 2006 23:20  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

anonymous (30 May, 2006 22:50) said
and I can certainly name a few clubs in canada and the states where only select fair skinned people are allowed in ..

sorry babe, the KKK isn't a club.

As for bars and clubs in Canada, entry to even to the more "exclusive" ones is determined by
1. what you're wearing
2. who you're with
3. not being off your tits
Never would a single member of a party be excluded based on his color, all other things being equal.

As for Indians being the only pervs in the Emirates, who are you kidding? From the Gulf News:


""The police will relentlessly crack down on those who harass women until this outrageous act is completely rooted out," said the ministry official.

At least 23 men, including 18 UAE nationals, are serving their jail term at present. "The move is aimed at preventing them from assaulting ... women's dignity. Harassing women is clearly inconsistent with the values and customs of our society.""

For the full text, go to http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/04/19/10034055.html

And my personal favourite:
can't help you if you're walking in with a look on your face saying you're expecting to be discrimated against ..

WTF? I'm sure everyone here has encountered the droves of local women who wander into traffic with the look of a singularly shortsighted deer trying to fathom just-where-those-lights-came-from, but no one would run them over simply due to their resemblence to the proverbial.

For someone who doesn't stereotype, you're awfully hung up on appearences. Your posts a hoot though.

31 May, 2006 00:05  
Blogger Del said...

Dear Anonymous,
You have an opinion on every one, but not on any thing.
I find that quite revealing.
Blonde, did you say?

31 May, 2006 07:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember Gspot or Pillatzo's in Toronto?

How about Tao in NY? Butterfield 8 in Chicago? It happened right in front of my eyes .. and discrimination is discrimination whether it be because of what you're wearing or the color of your skin or how much money you have .. its still discrimination ..

as for the nationals and the harrassement ... throwing your number or following around a woman in a mall is not nearly as perverted as taping a woman in a bikini on the beach without her consent ..

as for the local women in hords and something about deer in the light look in their eyes .. no remember it is their country ..

they can basically do what they want .. we should adapt no?

hence the coining of the term wasta?

as for the opinion on everyone .. I haven't knocked one race down yet or insulted any of them .. be it indian or white or arab .. on the contrary the sarcasm put forward was to highlight the ridiculousness of this all land please don't think something that isn't .. quite frankly .. we're all from adam and eve .. and I have reservations against anyone that can't see beyond the appearance of someone and look for the truth in there .. that doesn't mean national man or indian guy finger happy behind his new camcorder or loser that got denied entry at double decker can go around saying that arabs and lebs are suffering identity crisis and think he made a proper statement .. nor can the other loser going on about white supremacy think its cool .. nor can miss money bags think its nice to say yes i'll buy you all out ..

but people will be people .. so rummy john .. don't call me babe .. have fun with the KKK .. it certainly isnt the KKK today anymore but it definitely is the corporate america running on a full fledged war on 'terrorism' in the name of democracey in and out of the states .. entry into clubs hardly constitutes a measure by which to determine the openmindedness, fairness, and democracey of a country

You want to talk about racism .. let's see .. two years ago Air Canada denied boarding to one of the most famous cartoonists out there .. why cuz he was pakistani .. what did the Liberal Party do about it? Nothing? What did Air Canada tell him? No explanation? Mr NDP party took his case to a national level and then it got all the publicity it needed to make an issue out of it ..

Do not lecture about the west being more open minded .. just cuz they gladly let you spend your hard earned money on over priced and watered down alchohol .. without making a big deal if your brown or black or not .. it doesn't mean that everything's just rosey ..

and Del .. I'm blonde yes but I can obviously run my mouth a mile a minute .. and yet .. I haven't offered my 'expert analysis' on why I think customer service is so fucking lacking in this town ..

and you want an opinion .. here's one .. Dubai is the way it is because this is remnants of a colonoial society once dominated by British imperialism .. its trickled down and left some of its not so nice characteristics with us .. and it continues to be fueled because only a select few have the money in their hands while others are rotting and scraping trying to make a buck .. it doesn't mean the gas attendant can try to stiff me out of 25 dirhams and it also doesn't mean you can put your 100% on the job .. here's another opinion .. Sub-continental people here can't drive for shit ..

How's that? the point of each one of my posts was to say that there are ALOT more important issues going on around us then entry into a night club being determined by what color you are .. for example - when was the last time any of you donated their time to charity?

enough said ..

and yeah I'm blonde

31 May, 2006 09:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The repeated mentioning of the fact I am blonde was to see how quick all of you would say oh she's blonde .. and then fall into the stereotype trap of thinking cuz a blonde is a blonde she isn't that smart ..

and some of you actually did go ahead and state it ..

how ridiculous is this ..

31 May, 2006 09:31  
Blogger Del said...

Anonymous said...
you want an opinion .. here's one .. Dubai is the way it is because this is remnants of a colonoial society once dominated by British imperialism




Jesus... what CAN I say...

31 May, 2006 10:07  
Blogger al-republican said...

Dear All-

This has been a very (if I may use the word) "entertaining" exchange! I have the following to add from my side (by the way, I am not the bar/pub types):

1- Desert_dude made a LOT of sense. All power to this brother! It's been some time since someone here has presented his/her case coherently. Plus, it was well-articulated and very unbiased. Desert_dude I hope you dont mind me saying this, but please dont get me wrong: a person of your intellect doesn't need to be going to such places.

2- What a shame that we are arguing about racism in places that are Islamically prohibited in a MUSLIM country!

3- As the anonymous blond aptly puts it, there are more pestering issues in the Dubai today than racism at clubs and bars. As a Muslim, it really saddens me to see this state of affairs.

4- Anonymous blond, the West is liberal and open-minded! Don't you know they are now coming up with a political party of pedophiles in one of the European countries? Freedom, anybody? First homosexuality became an accepted thing, and now we have pedophiles coming out in the open for their share of "freedom". Like I once said in one of the threads here bestiality is the next thing that the "free world" will gladly accept!

5- As many people have noticed, people attacking racism are doing it more racism! I hope I am not the only one who notices how FAKE people here are.

How many of us know what is going on in Iraq and East Timor? Did anyone notice the earthquake that hit Indonesia some time back? Or are we all too busy planning for our weekends in one of these places and how to combat racism therein?

31 May, 2006 12:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Del .. try and deny it .. refute my opinion/argument .. with a proper argument .. or counter opinion ..

instead of calling on Jesus to point out what you think is a wrong opinion ..

Go ahead I dare you ..

So what do Europeans call us behind our backs that I haven't heard yet?

incidentally .. do you own a white suit?

31 May, 2006 14:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Del .. try and deny it .. refute my opinion/argument .. with a proper argument .. or counter opinion ..

instead of calling on Jesus to point out what you think is a wrong opinion ..

Go ahead I dare you ..

So what do Europeans call us behind our backs that I haven't heard yet?

incidentally .. do you own a white suit?

31 May, 2006 14:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a shame that we are arguing about racism in places that are Islamically prohibited in a MUSLIM country!

Ok, I agree that those places are islamically prohibited.

Now what about racism in public places like taxi stops, supermarkets, and banks?

Those places are not Islamically prohibited yet one sees racism there, albeit not many get refused entry as in bars.

MM

31 May, 2006 14:22  
Blogger Del said...

[i]Anonymous said...
Del .. try and deny it .. refute my opinion/argument .. with a proper argument .. or counter opinion ..
instead of calling on Jesus to point out what you think is a wrong opinion ..
Go ahead I dare you ..[/i]

I don't think it's a wrong opinion. I was just surprised by your acute knowledge of colonial history and your mind-blowing insightfulness.

31 May, 2006 15:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sure you were Dr. Phil

31 May, 2006 21:57  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

If my history serves me correctly, none of the Trucial States were colonies

31 May, 2006 22:38  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

oh, btw, natural blonde?

31 May, 2006 22:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rummy does it matter at this point?

31 May, 2006 22:50  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

2- What a shame that we are arguing about racism in places that are Islamically prohibited in a MUSLIM country!

Al Republican...tsk, tsk
The UAE, being an Islamic country allows nightclubs, bars and alcohol. Even during Ramadan.
They could ban them if they wanted to, but they haven't.
So...AL....you have no argument. If you have an issue with nightclubs and and bars being un-Islamic, why don't you take it up with the authorities?

Yes Al, the pedophilic political party in Amsterdam has so much relevance to this discussion. So does the situation in Iraq, East Timor or the earthquake in Indonesia.

You know, it's alright to shut up once in a while, when you can't relate to a discussion. We all know you're not the "type" to go to a nightclub or a bar.
Do you think anyone cares though?

Let me all remind you, we're talking about racism; fun to know there are more people here actually pro-racist than otherwise. Hahaha.

Del and Alleged Anon Blonde:
Petty, petty people. I suggest you go back to high school and demand your money back.
Your arguments are exemplary.

31 May, 2006 22:54  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

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31 May, 2006 22:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for your two cents BreastImplants ..

with a moniker like that .. I doubt I'm the petty one ..

but still thank you for your uncanny ability to point out the painfully obvious ..

and there is nothing alleged about this anonymous blonde ..

you've officially stopped being funny now ..

31 May, 2006 23:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and this post has reached its limit .. I'll see you all on the next one ..

que - anonymous blonde's exit ..

31 May, 2006 23:14  
Blogger BreastImplants said...

Alleged Anon Blonde,

Get over the frikkin moniker hahaha.
I'll call myself Bill or Ted the next time to be taken more seriously.

Note: Funny, I don't recall saying you're petty and possibly stupid based on your appearance. I think the other posters were?
You could be a big hairy ape for all I care.

Eh, I'm falling into the same trap I was preaching against. This convo, going nowhere.

01 June, 2006 00:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Al - how is Dubai an islamic city?

01 June, 2006 00:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im curious. What is the highest number of comments a thread has recieved in this blog? Lets beat that record!SD?

01 June, 2006 10:27  
Blogger rummyjohn said...

{{{dead horse}}}
---stick---

flogging for records is wrong.

01 June, 2006 11:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

boo hoo

01 June, 2006 17:27  
Blogger al-republican said...

Yes, Dubai certainly isn't an Islamic country. But, I dont know how many of you have bothered reading the constitution of the UAE? Yes, they do have one! Or for that matter, even heard their national anthem? There are pledges and die-hard promises to follow Islamic injunctions and take pride in our way of life being Islam and our law being the Qur'an.

Humans deviate so there is nothing new here. Good hearted souls are still busy trying to carry out the original pledge of allegiance as per the constitution and anthem of this country. Change will come, in sha Allah Al-Azeez.

Dear (?) BreastImplants, to you I can only retort by stating my unwilligness to insult my own intelligence and get entangled in a futile diatribe with you.

03 June, 2006 11:11  
Blogger ycb said...

there is clearly a pecking order in dubai
whitey is not top
agree asian are at the bottom
there are quite a few others in between.
Best to speak to those who set the agenda, rather than whitey

03 June, 2006 15:44  
Blogger Swizel said...

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04 June, 2006 17:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Couldn’t hack it in London moved to Hong Kong - Types”

I’m not a Muppet trying to re-live the colonial good old days’“more tea Sabu” and all that although I know the type well – besides I’m “politically black”. I can also describe myself as mixed race (black African, white European parents). Where I’m from the UK I’m arguably viewed by many as “racially” the bottom of the food chain. However I speak Arabic and some of us “mixed race types” depending on the gene lottery actually look “Arab-ish” I look very Arab-ish and speak Arabic. So depending on the eye of the beholder, when in Dubai I go from bottom feeder to T-Rex. In the UK I have witnessed some very racist attitudes towards the "afro carib" from the “sub con” who in the UK were arguably psycho-socially situated well above the “Afro Caribbean” on the food chain at least until 9/11 hmmm.

Anyway it was very strange for me to experience sub cons being deferential to me and calling me sir like they really meant it. As well as whitey not clutching her handbag when I went past, in fact she acted like I had something for her! My challenge now is not to become deluded black expat tosser or bleeding heart liberal and over empathise with the sub con "struggle". I can just see myself donning shilwar khamis and bindi, boycotting the clubs with my sub con brethren, and saying things like some of my best friends Indian.

On a serious note racism hurts all parties. Its really in everyone’s best interest to reduce, contain, legislate against, as much as possible. If the Arab is so enamoured with imitating the west as many of the previous posts have alluded to, then eventually we will get some enlightened (no superiority of Arab over Non Arab) type policies and legislation - which belive it or not is also an Islamic ideal documented 1400 yrs before the Race Relations Ammendment Act ... and I have a dream that one day little sub con boys and girls will hold hands with little White, Arab, and African boys and girls and say free at last free at last free at last…

04 June, 2006 19:17  
Anonymous doid said...

think its sad , that you guys are getting chucked outa clubs , but really , do you think that its the white persons choice ?? i think not , it just so happens , white expats are known to drink loads and therefore clock up the ol $$$$$$$ , where as , to my knowledge , indian folk dobnt really splurg there cash on booze ?? -i could be wrong

05 June, 2006 12:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am concerned about working in Dubai now that I have read these posts. I am a financial services professional and a woman of color. I am Black American, mixed with European and Native American. Exotic looking to most. I am light skinned but wonder if my race is going to impede my ability to ad value there? Should I add blond highlights to accentuate my European features (it's not good for my hair)? Does it really make that much of a difference? I realize it should not, but that is the way of the world outside the US and Western Europe. I am proud of my heritage, but understand the realities of the social situation.

I would like to chat with all kinds of expats working in Dubai. Please feel free to contact me at fxexchanger@yahoo.com

11 June, 2006 22:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it rather weird that we have no complaints about white folk being disallowed into asian/arabic clubs. Is this because white folk don't want to go to them, or is it because they can walk in wherever they want. And to all those who moan about Rock Bottom asking for membership, I challenge you to do this:
Pay for the membership as they ask, and then DEMAND your membership card, that way you will never have this problem again, right?

I am not racist, I hate everyone equally

19 June, 2006 10:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey glad i found this page..interesting shit*lmao*

I was in dubai for 3 months..went everywere,the Burg al arab,budoir all the places of course;) all i did was fuckin and having lots of fun..best were the Emirates cabin crew partys,man thoose guys can party,soo my ex is CC..I simply came in becuase im beutiful yeehaa and 50 cent is my name!(had some in my pockets too).
love u dubai n R

SwedishplayerJnameofthegameissoccer

28 June, 2006 04:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, everybody in here is spouting off about how insulted they are about being discriminated against, yet they think that their willingness and financial ability to waste large amounts of money on overpriced drinks and cover charges, somehow entitles them to feel superior to the "uncivilized palefaces". You use comments such as that, yet you have the nerve to call yourself unbiased and civilized?? Sounds like a justified inferiority complex to me.

20 October, 2007 05:31  

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