Prisoner Cell Block W
"Didn't we have a lovely time the day we went to Wathba?
"A beautiful cell, we ate camel as well, and all for under a dirham you know"
Three Australian men are enjoying a rather less than seven star luxury holiday courtesy of the UAE government:
Mr Mulcahy said Snaith was being held in "horrendous" conditions at Al Wathba prison, about 100km out of Abu Dhabi in the desert, where temperatures reach over 50 degrees.
He said Snaith was the only westerner among 150 inmates sharing a cell the size of a tennis court, but he was in good health despite the conditions.
"It's a disgusting hell-hole," Mr Mulcahy said.
"At this stage Mr Snaith's spirits are reasonable, considering.
"He's being well-treated - well, he's not being mistreated. He's being fed a diet of fermented camel meat and some rice and bits and pieces.
Well if they don't like it, they can always leave
"A beautiful cell, we ate camel as well, and all for under a dirham you know"
Three Australian men are enjoying a rather less than seven star luxury holiday courtesy of the UAE government:
Mr Mulcahy said Snaith was being held in "horrendous" conditions at Al Wathba prison, about 100km out of Abu Dhabi in the desert, where temperatures reach over 50 degrees.
He said Snaith was the only westerner among 150 inmates sharing a cell the size of a tennis court, but he was in good health despite the conditions.
"It's a disgusting hell-hole," Mr Mulcahy said.
"At this stage Mr Snaith's spirits are reasonable, considering.
"He's being well-treated - well, he's not being mistreated. He's being fed a diet of fermented camel meat and some rice and bits and pieces.
Well if they don't like it, they can always leave
46 Comments:
LOL. Last line sums it all up!
Given that the charges include sexual harassment and intoxication, it is wholly appropriate that the lyrics continue:
And on the way back
I cuddled with Jack
And we opened a bottle of cider...
Hilarious post, but, for dragging up that godawful Fiddler's Dram song you shall ne'er be forgiven.
I wonder why he was convicted in the first place, hmm hmm.
Aussies & prisons...hmm..if they don't like it, why did they come?
Sorry, but reading the story from original source, I reckon this is a case, once again, of Westerners thinking their behaviour is acceptable worldwide.
These chaps were travelling in first class & arrested on arrival in Abu Dhabi, so the Captain of the flight must have felt there was justification for such a greeting party, correct?
They deny their guilt, yet nowhere is ignorance accepted as a plea of innocence, which seems to be their justification for the alleged behaviour.
Maybe because he is westerner, he should have his own private cell, if that little tit-bit of information was relavent.
I was just reading this story in the Herald - haven't seen a thing about it in the papers here though.
Unfortunately the Australian government has earned a reputation for abandoning its citizens when we're in trouble overseas, so these guys are pretty much on their own.
From first class caviar/lobster, to fermented camel meat...
Maybe a cheque bounced while he was in mid air?
And since when is Australia in the west? well, the earth is round, so i guess it is the first country to be considered western? what about japan then? damn, i am confused now.
No. The Australian government has a reputation of abandoning idiot citizens. I have a great admiration to Howard's government, despite his eccentricity.
They deserve what they get. It's that simple.
SD what is exactly wronge with " if you dont like it leave " atleast it gives you a choice. When i studied in England i remember sometimes get shouted at " Paki, GO HOME "...
i was never given choice !!
SD what is exactly wronge with " if you dont like it leave " atleast it gives you a choice.
I just think it's a shit attitude when many of the things people are pissed off about could be fixed or at least improved.
I don't believe that just because you are living in a country that is not your own country, you owe it eternal unquestioning gratitude. I believe the relationship works both ways. I am here as a law-abiding person bringing my skills to benefit the UAE economy. It's not all one way, it's not like some sheikh is throwing me candy into a golden bowl.
And I'm sorry for the foul racism you suffered in the UK. There is no excuse for it. And you have every right to complain about it, and seek to prosecute the people who abused you.
I think ausies and brits are really dumb that they cannot get away with sexual harassment and intoxication. Come one guys, put your act together and be a smart ass while you’re doing this. If you’re gonna be in UAE for sometimes, that would be part of your day to day fun. You don’t wanna end up each time with the same old cell-mates and some “fermented camel ass with bits and pieces”?!!
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It seems the usual anti-UAE brigade has shied away from this comment thread so far. Now the anti-idiot/anti-Aussie/Brit troupe has surfaced!
This is a prime example of how the nationalities of the prisoners influence opinions. I wonder what the reaction would have been if these were two Indian middle-income dudes flying in from Cochin?
The Indian-run local media in recent months has shed light on the so-called 'suffering' of labourers. SD's also posted on it. Interesting how we seldom hear of DRUNKEN Indian labourers...isn't it? Wouldn't that change our picture of the innocent and helpless labourers that the media have built? And YES, I've personally witnessed drunkeness of labourers in the early hours of the morning on EMAAR building sites!
If the imprisoned Aussies are 'dumb' and 'idiotic', and their 'government abandons them while in trouble overseas' what would it make the drunken, unimprisoned, cat-eating Indian labourers? Poor, helpless and suffering?
Oh my god, i*imaginate. Why do you have to drag the poor laborers in this issue?
Why can't you admit that the laborers here are poor, helpless and are indeed suffering?
So you saw a few laborers who got drunk and what? You would conclude that they aren't poor, helpess or suffering?
i*maginate is hilarious! He expects labourers to be smartly dressed and get drunk only in 5-star hotel bars, while they build his freehold villa for Dhs 700 a month. They can always leave too I guess. So can the Indians running the local media under local Editors-in-Chief.
Sigh...
i*maginate, you just HAD to summon the anti-UAE brigade, hehe. Now we can go back to the usual transmission of local-bashing.
I must add, imaginate, that I tend to agree with the others on the human rights of workers/laborers in the UAE. Please dont get me wrong, but what is right has to stand. I am sure most of the people who bash locals for inhumane working conditions in the UAE for laborers don't know that these poor laborers have it AS WORSE (if not even worse) back home. So it's business as usual for these guys.
Having said that, I think these poor souls have it bad both back home and here in the UAE. I would only support more humane working conditions and also their right to live with their wives and children in the UAE. I think as humans and Muslims we have an obligation to take care of fellow human beings.
Sadly, in the case of the laborers, they don't even have a choice to leave. Their passports are held captive by their employers/sponsors.
@ i*maginate:
Congrats. you put your finger on a soft spot here.
The 'blowback' of prejudice and racism towards western expats by Indian sulkpots.
@al rep
so far from what i read in your comments here in SD's world, this is the first time i'm sympathetic to your comment. I'm with you on this...
agnostic filipino
Anon, 30-07, 11:33,
Hi, I wasn't 'dragging' them in. I was referring to them to illustrate how nationalities influence opinions. Just because most of them are poor, helpless and suffering, which, for the record, I don't disagree with, means they are not guilty of any crime, and aren't equally deserving of labels such as 'idiot' and 'dumb'?
"So you saw a few laborers who got drunk and what?"
YES...and what? Their crime, if caught, would have had a similar punishment to the Aussies in question. So...ahem...with your humanitarian views you obviously think it's OK for the Aussies to be in prison, but the many drunk labourers you don't hear about are poor and helpless and shd therefore be immune from criticism?
*Mo, ,your chosen nickname and view are not aligned. Are you anti-class, anti-money or something? Do you think rich people don't enter poor neighbourhoods, or don't help the poor? Do you not aspire to own your own 7000pm villa? If you had the means to, I am pretty sure you wouldn't be complaining...
Hey, I wasn't implying that labourers, like any underpaid, overworked, struggling person, shouldn't have certain rights. I was merely referring to how opinions differ when it comes to nationalities. I've just pointed out that I've seen drunk labourers who don't get caught. Their crime is as serious as the Aussies, who *were* caught. If you'd agree with this, you wouldn't be biased towards the brown boys for whatever reason - if it's humanity, then extend it to the Aussies, for they deserve it too.
*al republican, :). Again, I didn't intend to imply labourers don't have it bad, and I totally agree that their situation needs attention. However, nobody is perfect, and if they are drunk, they are as guilty as the Aussies.
I don't want to enter into a debate about the plight of the labourers, SD's posted on it already, and yes, things need to be done. Most of the people who complain about things in the UAE, though, people who claim that they care, probably don't do anything about it but complain, and not to the right people. What gets done? Nothing. Just ongoing debates...
If people care, they should take action. In SD's post there were some saying they've seen ppl hand out food etc to labourers. These are words that translate into action. The rest is just words.
Sadly, in the case of the laborers, they don't even have a choice to leave. Their passports are held captive by their employers/sponsors.
Al republican, for your information, this does not apply only to labourers, it applies to the majority of the workforce. Although the law prohibits any employer from retaining passports, it's still common practice. And so, MOST don't have a chance to leave without some form of temporary ban from working/entering the country after leaving employment (if given a chance). That said, if a worker has a complaint, they can always go to the Labour Dept for help. There's even a hotline for labourers in case they have complaints.
I would also like to point out that labourers are not the only ones suffering hardship, there are plenty of poor, suffering folk out there - but only the poorest of the poor are covered in the media. Some chefs at 5* hotels have been known to work from midnight to 6pm the next day...do they not deserve pity from the media because they're white?
*nick ;) I like the word sulkpot. Haha don't be quick to brand the funky term only to Indians, though ;)
I would like to suggest an official modification to IF YOU DONT LIKE, LEAVE.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, LEAVE IT.
I have heard this and I was almost going to educate my irate native.
But on a serious note, how come no one has commented on the great initiative taken by Sheikh Mo - the $10B initiative to educate this region? That is just what we need to tackle terrorism, and I hope this is what will really shine as his legacy - more than all the buildings and stuff.
I am goign to write about this on my blog soon..
all those words from imaginate, just to say the aussie drunks should be treated same as labourers drunk...fine point you made. except the aussies probably got drunk in a situation which had people more powerful than you around, in the confines of a plane, and probably made a mess they couldnt get out of. labourers probably drink and make a mess in labour camp or on side roads or on empty sites where they sleep, and in case you want them in jail you could always call the police i guess.in case you have been around long enough, you would know everyone bends rules here, and the whoever gets caught will really get screwed. dont crib. just leave :-)
as for Repub, labourers having it worse off in their home towns, unlikely, most are much better off with freedom and family and less money but enough food to scrape through. i have no idea why they come here to slave, the 500dhs is not worth it maybe they think they will hit gold while digging.
nick, getting pushed off the radar by sheer numbers of sulkpots is painful, my sympathies.Guess it is probably your half baked knowledge that forces you to work here under trying (sulk) conditions.
To i*maginate:
I agree fully with your views!
To anonymous @ 31 May, 2007 12:04-
People such as laborers come here because the fact of the matter is that if they even remit 100 dirhams back home, they are actually better off than living back home. That is sad, but true. 40% of the Indian population lives below the poverty line. That is, people who earn less than 1 USD a day! Do the math and you will see that Dubai is just as much an opportunity to them as is it is to us.
Also, may I add here (and I just know I am opening myself to some vehement criticism), there is a mindset problem with people from the Indian Subcontinent. I know many bachelor colleagues at work over here who earn 10K+ per month. Even though Dubai is expensive, the fact is that a lot of these folks CHOOSE to live crammed in a studio apartment with 6-8 people in it! They will sit and complain about how they are not earning enough, which is fine and I completely understand, but why are they complicating their problems??
Next time you go to Satwa and see such "bachelors" (guess what, a lot of them are married and can afford to get their wives here but WONT just so that they can build a grand, big house back home) living crammed together, just remember that a part of their problem is they themselves.
I hope what I say is not misconstrued.
P.S. AD is that you hiding under the cover of Debbie M? :P
point well made,repub not misconstrued. there is a mindset problem and fear of insecurity, and love for the big fat house back home.
as for 100 dhs being big shit back in countries like india, not sure anymore. see, a unskilled labourer takes about 20 dhs a day in india. a skilled one like a electrician/ carpenter makes probably upto 30. drivers take about 15 too.and not enough people around. see, there is no economic sense at all for these people to be here. ask them if these rates are true. but ofcourse, they have to work in their own hometown, in front of people they know, and maybe find work in a city. not things they are willing to risk. they want a blind contract where all is taken care, including travel, acco, food, etc, and then they are ahppy to do mindless slaving. for nothing. the education need to change to make them think.not follow. and pick up some self respect.
hey guys
this just happened this week:
a drunk white guy was shitting in the urinal of BARASTI bar.
I mean pants down and taking a crap!
Now that is disgusting.
But he did his business and left without anyone telling him anything.
Imagine what would have had he been Indian?
Talking about labourers, I found something quite intersting a couple of days ago from some indian guys running "labour supply" companies (they themselves earn 1000dhs in their day job). I came to know that they hire "runaway" labourers for specific contracts for big contractors.
These laboures are categorized into 3. the middle category being carpenter. They pay carpenters about 8dhs per hour at that for 10 hours per day and 25 days per month. If you do the math, that is about 2000dhs per month. Now, accomodation is not included in that. And of course, these people have no security whatsoever, if they get caught, they are out. And if the company does not like them, they get fired on the spot...
And this is not an isolated case, thousand of labourers work like that all over Dubai. Maybe that explains why coming here actually is really worth it...
"how come no one has commented on the great initiative taken by Sheikh Mo - the $10B initiative to educate this region?"
Because it's hype, without any foundation. Tribal chief Maktoum thinks he can 'educate' his region by pouring money over it.
The "fermented camel meat" they mention is mutton. I am sure they must have made an honest mistake considering it is Asian variety and not the Australian lamb they might be used too.
Well what do you get when you put mutton in rice - voila - Biriyani - the favoured meal for Asian and Arab weddings. Do I need to say more??? Even labourer's don't get to eat Biriyani...
Anybody know what these guys are charged with, yet? Seems like it might be relevant. Another question: Is it legal to serve alchohol in the first class section of a flight bound for the UAE? If the answer is "yes" then how can it be illegal to disembark under the influence of alcohol? And if the answer is "no" then how did they manage to get drunk on such a long flight?
Re "Western" cultures. Yes, Austalia is a western culture. As is Japan, in my opinion. And Israel. Geography has nothing to do with it.
Last question: What in the hell is any westerner doing traveling to a country where you can get thrown in prison for drinking alcohol? Or, apparently, fornicating with a prostitute? Or fornicating at all?
Are you guys effing crazy?
So, bottom line... I ahve no sympathy for the Aussie clowns either. If they didn't like it (and I know they didn't!) they should have never got on that plane in the first place. I can proudly announce right here and now that I will never spend a day in an Arab jail. Because I will never place myself under Arab jurisdiction. Because, I don't like it.
Thanks you, citizens of UAE, for bringing the problems of your country to my attention before I made a grievous mistake. Not that I would have, because I've been to places a lot worse than tat, when I was in the Marines, and I know how the third world works. If you don't have any clout (like a loaded M16) - then, you're SOL. That place isn't for westerners, as they make perfectly clear. You aren't wanted.
Programmer Craig:
All power to you! I love your attitude!
However, I might have some bad news for you. Since you are in the marines, I don't think you might have much choice with not wanting to come to this part of the World. Your country is in for the long haul in this "war on terror" circus. And you guys are taking some serious hits. Around 4,000 dead and over 20,000+ injured (out of which 10,000+ have been injured so bad that they have been rendered out of service - lost limbs, completely disfigured faces and to make a long story short, they were better dead had it not been for advanced medicine).
So one day you will be coming here and I suggest that you should be prepared. I hope you get to meet your comrades who have been rendered out of service and you might even take a stand against your government if they send you here. Then again, I have given up on American intelligence long ago.
As Cindy Sheehan aptly put it, you're a people who are more concerned with the next American Idol rather than your boys being killed in a deceitful war.
al-republican said,
I've been out of the Marines a long time :)
I was around in 1983 when we lost 243 in 1 day. 1 minute, actually. If you think we've taken "serious hits" it's time for you to wake up and read the history books. We lost as many on Iwo Jima on Day 1 as we have in the War on Terror in 5 years.
Or for a more relevant example, look t the US casualties in Vietnam.
If you expect the US military to back off due to casualties, you're in for a disappointment. We are facing an incompetent enemy in the War on Terror. The fact of the matter is terrorism just doesn't work worth a shit against military targets.
If you want to beat us, you need to raise some armies. But some equipment form the Russians. And train people so that they aren't cannon fodder. And, you'll probably still lose. But at least you'll have a shot.
But face it... Muslims are going to lose this thing. And no, I'm not afraid to say it's all about Islam. You'll eaither clean your own house, or we'll clean it for you. It's just that simple. And there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.
There. I hope I was sufficiently cowed when you put me in my place to please you, your highness.
Update on WHY these dudes were jailed...sentences already handed out: apparently sexual assault! Now that changes the story un petit peu!
Look it up on Gulf News. OOPS, Aussies!! Drugs too !!
I dont see whats wrong with the conditions these guys were subjected to. They ate camel meat and rice? Thats what the local population eats, and thats what they're going to serve. They sure as hell shouldnt expect to be served Thai or Italian food, should they? And the temperature being in the 50s? What, the UAE has purposefully upped the temperature in that particular spot to spite the prisoners? Its pretty damn hot everywhere in the UAE. The article refers to the temperature of the area, not the prison cells. Airconditioning is standard everywhere here. If not for anything else, the prison wardens wouldnt be able to survive.
And if these guys didnt want to be the only Westerners among 150 guys (presumably Arab and Asians), then they should have sexually harrassed a flight attendant on a flight to Paris. Maybe the prison authorities can bring in Western baby-sitters to keep them company, so they wont feel so isolated and lonely??
These three guys sexually assaulted flight attendants (who were most certainly not UAE nationals, but most likely Westerners and Asians) and got piss drunk and violent, to the point where the pilots considered diverting the flight. If this had happened anywhere else, I doubt anyone on this blog would be criticizing their incarceration conditions or supporting them. The fact that they are Australians in the UAE apparently exonerates them in the eyes of compatriots and Westerners.
Programmer craig I too struggled with trying to find exactly what these guys had been charged with. I didn't find it in the UAE press but found it in the Australian press. Apparently they were parading around the first class cabin half naked and exposing themselves, plus sexually harrasing the hostess's. The drug tests came back positive for coccaine and yes obviously they were drunk.
I am an Aussie and I am ashasmed this has happened. Unfortunately men in power let it go to their heads and think that they can get away with foul behaviour.
I am glad they were arrested, charged and then sent back home (ironically Etihad flew them back).
And for all those critizing the Australian Government for not doing anything let me just say this....these men are stupid people that acted poorly and they are also fully aware that once they leave Australia they are on their own if they break the law. Which they did. Which they have been charged for. Let this be a lesson to all who think they are untouchable and can treat other people like shit.
Programmer Craig:
I really do love your attitude! It's nice to see you defiant and hell-bent on establishing your supremacy. Unfortunately, you inept army has left you with only words and "history" to thump your chest.
The "incompetent enemy" you are facing is in your view destined for failure. May the Lord help you if this is your defintion of "failure". I will leave you and your ilk to count the body bags because quite frankly no one cares in this part of the World how many of your "brave" bite the dust. What we care about is to kiss your buffer state Israel goodbye. Whether you can admit it or not, we are ever so close to that goal.
We are better without the cheesy armies who couldnt last 6 days against Israel and her allies. Now you tell me what has America and the "coalition of the willing" established in the last 6 YEARS in this farcical "war on terror"?
History will be the judge on who routes whom. But, if signs have any meaning in them, your show of bravado is reminiscent of every defiant arrogant whose empire is nearing it's end.
When the end does come, don't be surprised that it wont just be the Muslims celebrating.
Al Republican- you chose your words carefully and did not mention 9/11 (israeli conspiracy?) etc. However from what you have said about being better off without 'cheesy armies' the implication is that terrorism which involves killing non combatants indiscriminately is the way to go because it is more effective... I guess your looking forward to that Cuban holiday one day. But first ask yourself why is it that the Arab world- which streches from the Atlantic to the Indian ocean has been unable to unite against one single enemy? I guess there must be someone to blame for that.........?
Al Republican,
The "incompetent enemy" you are facing is in your view destined for failure. May the Lord help you if this is your defintion of "failure".
And Iraq is your idea of a Muslim "success"? :O
Well, what happens when there are similar successes in every other country? And you think I'm the one who should be praying? Mind boggling.
I will leave you and your ilk to count the body bags because quite frankly no one cares in this part of the World how many of your "brave" bite the dust. What we care about is to kiss your buffer state Israel goodbye.
Ask some Iraqis how much they care about Israel, cornhoolio.
Whether you can admit it or not, we are ever so close to that goal.
Yeah. Any century now.
Anonymous @ 08 June, 2007 21:47
Terrorism is a very subjective phenomenon. What is it that makes a militant a "terrorist" and not the armed forces of a country? It is simply the fact that the latter is state-sanctioned.
Do you think for a second that America and her allies are just as responsible for the indiscriminate killings of innocent civilians as the "terrorists"? I urge you to track the US militaries own admission of how many "terrorists" they have taken out. Add up all the numbers and you will easily come up with at least 50,000. So you are telling me there are 50,000 terrorists?? FIFTY THOUSAND?? And there are still so many alive that it will take another umpteen years to wipe them out?? What about the remainder of the 700,000 persons who have been killed in this farcical war, which is illegal by international standards since day 1? Who is responsible for those deaths? If you really look at all this objectively, you will realize that what America is doing is STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM. There is no other word for it.
As for your question on why the Muslims are not united then that answer is complex. You may as well wonder why people of all ages who have been colonized by external forces were colonized at all. The fact of the matter is that every country has its internal problems. If tomorrow, America is weak and there are 2 clashing ideologies amongst the indigineous population there, then you will see one side reach out to an external force to gang-up and subdue the opposing ideology. The external force would have its own reasons to help either of the 2 to take over the country and share its resources with it as their mode of payment. This is what all superpowers have done throughout time without any exception.
Do you guys REALLY think America wants to spread Democracy in the World so that people are "free"? That is hogwash! Why is America supporting dictators all over the Arab and Muslim World today where it is convenient for them? If the Islamic World were to see REAL DEMOCRACY then I am sorry to burst your bubble, but the Islamists would take over. That is just a FACT. Just like the socialists have won fair and square in electioneering in South American countries (much to the dismay of the lone "superpower".)
Al Republican. I see your answer to the woes of the Arab world is the old 'divide and rule' excuse. I recall Margaret Thatcher calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Yes terrorism is a label politicians chose to assign to crimes when it suits them- much in the same way religious fanatics (not just muslim) chose to ordain murder as a deadly sin but then chose to define the context for their convenience. If I were to chose to kill my Jewish neigbour- in most cases it would be a crime and a sin. But of course if I, as a Muslim, chose to do this to symbolise a struggle, according to your logic it would be freedom fighting and maybe even met with a heavenly reward. Two rights don't make a wrong and death and destruction wreaked by one side does not make retaliation righteous.
Instead blaming others for their woes, the Islamic world first needs to get its own house in order. Until then others will continue to take advantage of this disunity for their own self interest. No Empire in the world- Roman, British, Ottoman etc has sacrificed its own interests for others. What makes you think things will change?
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~Dubai will fall....it is built on nothing but the backs of laborers and dreamers who flock there in search of the good life and end up selling out. The lifestyle offered to these westerners is an invitation to puff up themselves and become more racist than they are already preconditioned to be. The whole place is a debt and someone will have to pay eventually......Maybe if people would start building things without greed and profit being the bottom line and this world would actually be a better place.
Whether you are Muslim, Christian, Jewish...whatever...this place, and most others are a lesson of how greed, selfishness, and pride will destroy mankind......
SO...you guys can sit there and argue the details and justify your opinions, BUT slavery is slavery. Period. Slavery has been everywhere and knowing what we know now should be enough to end it, but yet it is somehow justified by the flocks of westerners who come to live there and act like ignorance is bliss. Sad. I thought Americans were racist, but some of the British are even worse! Where does it end? When do people actually get off the prideful camels or horses and start helping people?
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