Disgraceful Druz dad
A tale to chill the cockles of every heart: what kind of a world do we live in where a father is able to have his adult daughter jailed rather than let her marry the man she loves?
This disgusting disgrace to fatherhood insisted that his daughter, a Lebanese Druz who recently converted to Islam, be imprisoned for her relationship with a non-Druz Syrian, becuse of his "personal anti-Syria stand".
Not forgetting the role of that forensic tour-de-force, the doubtless 100% medically reliable and verifiable virginity test:
"The Dubai public prosecution arrested them under the charge of copulation with consent. A virginity test carried out showed the girl was having sex for over six months."
But what is even more appalling than stone-age attitudes to a woman's vaginal privacy is this execrable perversion-of-parenthood's attitude:
"The court officials tried to convince the father to let his daughter marry her lover and to cancel the lawsuit no 2076/2005. But he refused and insisted that his daughter should be imprisoned rather than marry a Syrian national because of his personal anti-Syria stand."
This man is a piece of excrement. If only he and his vile prejudices could be quickly flushed away.
This disgusting disgrace to fatherhood insisted that his daughter, a Lebanese Druz who recently converted to Islam, be imprisoned for her relationship with a non-Druz Syrian, becuse of his "personal anti-Syria stand".
Not forgetting the role of that forensic tour-de-force, the doubtless 100% medically reliable and verifiable virginity test:
"The Dubai public prosecution arrested them under the charge of copulation with consent. A virginity test carried out showed the girl was having sex for over six months."
But what is even more appalling than stone-age attitudes to a woman's vaginal privacy is this execrable perversion-of-parenthood's attitude:
"The court officials tried to convince the father to let his daughter marry her lover and to cancel the lawsuit no 2076/2005. But he refused and insisted that his daughter should be imprisoned rather than marry a Syrian national because of his personal anti-Syria stand."
This man is a piece of excrement. If only he and his vile prejudices could be quickly flushed away.
41 Comments:
LOL...LOL...Secret Dubai...welcome to the world of MLM..got mine too..
i loved one german girl she was so pretty really very pretty! everybody use to think that she is the sister of Claudia schiffer!
She was a unique thing in her which is very rare in europeans females! she use to shy away from me each time i told her that she is beautiful.
but one day, she spoke to her parents that she is dating a muslim from arabia! her parents became paranoid! esp. her mom! she told her dont do that!!!!
you cant marry a muslim! and i am afriad he will do something bad to you! because her mom was reading a book as well called "Without my daughter"
which is about an american women who was marry to a irani!
so now her mom thinks Iran=arabia and all arabia man=bad
She broke off with me becoz of her mom.
They can even tell how long she's been having sex? wtf? do they use carbon dating or something?
I can't believe we have doctors who test for this kind of shite.
She should turn the tables and tell the authorities that her father abused her...then we'd see who would be the one in gaol
balushit,
u r lying..say its true..or that poor girl is blind..anyway, im glad for her..sorry i mean im glad for u..lol
pussycat, I swear I am not lying... tell me how can i prove it to you?
disgusting.
balushi
FAT CHANCE DUDE!
Anon1
Sometime I wonder how true these stories are? And all the time I wonder how the human interpretation of the law is an Ass!
I wish not to comment on such story as I do not know the facts well enough. I assume it is a father ego thing in a small petty minded and low educated individual who considers his daughter a property and not a free thinking individual.
Maybe I send him a translation of JP Sartre book:
The Transcendence of the Ego : An Existentialist Theory of Consciousness.
What makes me smile in an ironic stance is the fact that the man is of the Druse community from the Lebanon. In fact the Druse community is Syrian and not Lebanese in origin. Maybe someone ought to tell him that the Druse founded by Hakim who died in 1020 came from Syria Jebel el Soumak and Jebel el Alla to Lebanon brought by the Emir Bashir in 1811 (Emir Beshir was originally Druse converted to Christianity) with a total of 400 families while the rest remained in Syria. Their present chief who is Walid Jumblat still has to this day in Aleppo/Syria a classified Syrian historic house under the name of Kasr Jumblatt. Actually it is a very nice place to visit.
So the poor man is rather confused and for his sake I hope he never see the light as he will get blinded and better for him to stay in bliss ignorance.
As to the poor lovers, my heart goes out to them.
i dont think it is nice that even id balushi is talking baloonshit, that you should call him by that name. its not nice.
Wow! A Wedding Limousine? How extremely appropriate!
We all love Spam. We love it. We! Love ! It!
(Erm... except for anyone who can't have ham. Sorry, folks! I'll try to hide it the next time I'm leaving Spinney's.)
SD
A truly awful and venal story. V-tests eh? How about a rectal test on the doctor with a palm tree. And same goes for the dad too.
Horrid fellas whoever they are.
L&S
Mr. Balushi
"she use to shy away from me each time i told her that she is beautiful."
could it be that she was cringing? shuddering?
"She broke off with me becoz of her mom."
you mean her mom had a thing for you, so she sacrificed her love?
wow you are so profound
come on you guys, take it easy on Balushi.. :) The guy was just trying to make a point through a heartbreaking love story...
I hear ya buddy.. :o)
Anon 14:58
A Syrian does not mean the person is Durzi. The Druz are generally found in the mountains in between Syria, Lebanon and Israel.
In the Durzis (which, whether the mainstream Muslims like it or not, _Are_ a denomination of Islam) do not allow intermarriage with non Durzi's.
Having been around Druz I can tell you they are one of the most pleasant people to be around. With that being said, every group of people have their own stupid beleifs/rules/cultures/whatever. They have the mystery around their practices and this insanely paranoid attempt to limit those entering the Durzi denomination.
In either case, a guy who would rather have his daughter go to prison than marry the man she is convinced of is not doing anyone a favor. The daughter will very unlikely have anything to do with her father or the Durzi community for that matter. So, nobody wins.
balushi talks baoooolsheet. ban the guy, he wastes room on my screen, he wastes download time on my net connection and gives more money to etisalatopoly.
BAN Balushi, I thought th Blues Brothers was a crap film anyway.
2 issues here. Issue 1. I dont know any Durzi people but I hear alot from my lebanese friends. It is usually bad things and hateful words being said about them. But I will not judge them coz I personally dont know, furthermore unless everything said by everyone on their parts can be verified in this story then i dont think anyone on this board should make judgement. I am a very open minded man and 2 me this article stank of racism.
2nd issue. Balushi is having fun here the only ways he knows how. And admit it, this is the reason why we are all here, to have fun. Onless he starts to say some very bad things that can threaten this blogs existence or he threatens lives or whatever, then people just need to stop being so anal or however the expression goes. Lighten up pleeze!
Balushi...if you are real emirati stop posting those embarassing comments about your social life. It only allows others to disrespect you and insult the name of balushis. In fact, you are starting to embarass most emiratis.
SD, I think you are an feminist or human-right activist. It seems that many customs irritate you. Many Westerners think more conservative countries terrible for females but some I know ae very haapy because their husbands suppport them for lifetime. I guess that is true in West as well. But it is true these coutnries guys are very, chauvinistic.
Where does parental consent come in when one is an adult ???
I can't understand why is this druze thing is on the news! I dont pay 2dirhams to Gulfnews for this lousy stories!!!
This has happened to me and who gave a toss??? nobody!
Ok secy, make a new article!
SD, I think you are an feminist or human-right activist.
Not currently an activist, but a firm believer in human rights. And in terms of feminism: an equalist.
know ae very haapy because their husbands suppport them for lifetime. I guess that is true in West as well.
Very true. And when both parties consent and are happy with such a financial arrangement, that's fine. It works both ways - it would be nicer to see a poorer Emirati man being able to marry a richer Emirati girl with her parents funding the wedding. (This may happen already - I don't know).
As I understand it, Islam allows for a woman to marry without her guardian's permission if she is in someway "emancipated" - ie, living by herself and supporting herself financially, or previously married and widowed/divorced, and so on. This poor young woman obviously wasn't in such a situtation.
I have no doubt that her a father will reap what he has sown, in the disgust that other family members and more enlightened members of his community must feel towards him, and in the permanent loss of his daughter's affection for him. On his deathbed he may repent it: by then, it will be too late.
He has acted without compassion and without mercy and without love, and by his own admission out of anger and prejudice: this contradicts the teachings of any religion, and it contradicts humanity.
Well.. that was his choice.
What I found stupid was that she converts to islam then has sex with a guy. Harlet, and the syrian asshole is even a bigger harlet. Those syrians are as thick as a rampart.
I cant really condemn the father without being a hypocrite, In any case, if a druze attempted to marry my daughter, I wouldnt goto the law, I would have made a fine paste out of him.
I would have made a fine paste out of him.
Even if he was an extremely moral, kind, upstanding person, and willing to convert to (regular) Islam and bring his children up as Muslims?!
"But what is even more appalling than stone-age attitudes to a woman's...privacy is this execrable perversion-of-parenthood's attitude"
I quite agree with emirati, but for different reasons.
1)In Islam, apostasy is harshly punished. I do not know the rules for Druze people but perhaps their rules are similar.
2)Culturally, virginity is not just valued, but deemed essential for any unmarried person, male or female, in the Muslim world. Pre-marital relations marks boys as dangerous, rogueish individuals disrespectful of another family's women and men as hence unfit to be husbands, and women as unchaste and coming from bad families (the whole family is tainted) and hence unfit to be wives.
As a westerner, where one's sexual orientation, let alone the right to engage in it, has been a totally individual, and not societally framed, decision for the past century (or less?) you will not understand this viewpoint.
Secretdubai, what do you think the term druze means ? Upstanding moral educated muslim ?
Secretdubai, what do you think the term druze means?
Someone born into the druze faith/culture. Further than that, I make no judgements or assumptions about them.
Regardless of the fact that one does not have to convert to Islam to be moral and upstanding, I know of Christians, Jews and others who have converted to Islam. I would never condemn someone for the race or religion they were born into, any more than I would condemn an entire race or religion.
pixleised.try being a muslim male with a deadly and well known STD, in emarati culture and see if he doesnt get osctrized. with all due respect, pixled guy, you may live here but u r not apart of our culture so u cannot c everything we see.
anyway, illegal sexual relations by men do result in jail, but on the virginity thing, it is obviously harder to prove for if a man is still virgin or not.
the muslim women as 'the oppressed' and discriminated will always be a popular thing for westerners to point there fingers at, but there r more shades of grey in the spectrum than you can ever see.
You guys have made a martyr out of this syrian! I say lets just cut of his thingy and we make another new article.
bcoz i am getting bored, its 12 midnight and i am still not sleep yet.
anyway, illegal sexual relations by men do result in jail, but on the virginity thing, it is obviously harder to prove for if a man is still virgin or not.
In practice, probably no harder than proving a woman's virginity. The test involves seeing if the hymen is still intact, but does not take into account the fact that the hymen may be broken without having sex, or may be intact after having sex. The tests are notoriously unreliable, and it dismays me to see such faith being put in them.
I think the real matter here is that the police should not be an extension of the moral authorities (who I believe should be God or conscience or whatever).
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This isn't about race or oppressed women or western vs. eastern. This is political and legal debate about the role of the police in society.
What you're calling for is a separation of church and state. I doubt even a discussion of this will take place in the Middle East for at least another generation or two.
Yes I am.
You'll get no argument from me, then. :)
secularism..hmmm
"..the social ideology in which religion and supernatural beliefs are not seen as the key to understanding the world and are instead segregated from matters of governance" - Wikipedia
Based on the rather informative article there, there are certain criteria for secular societies:
- near complete freedom of religion
- religion does not dictate political decisions
- religious influence is minimised in the public sphere
- religion is not as important in most people's lives as it once was
To dissemble and state that there is no church in Islam is wrong. The church in this school of thinking simply represents religion (in whatever form).
So basically, the prescription is that Islam should take a back seat here, if it should even have a seat in the first place.
I do not know what other Muslims think, but I for one pray secularism never spreads here, no matter how much others may wish for it to happen.
To link this issue with '1984-ish' behaviour by regional governments is misleading.
Truly, you and tim are the devil's advocates.
;)
I'm not sure separation of "church" and state and secularism are the same thing. A secular society is unlikely to ever take precedence in the Middle East, just as it is not likely to in the USA - yet in the latter, church and state are, according to the constitution, separate.
Then you have the (pretty much) secular UK, in which the church and state are not separated (the head of state is the head of the CoE for starters, not to mention the appointment of Bishops in the House of Lords).
Then you have France which is (almost completely) secular and with an entirely separate church and state.
Therefore, calling for a separation of "church" and state in the Middle East is not the same as calling for secularism in society. Personally, I couldn't care less how secular society is, provided individuals who wish to be secular are fully protected by law. This is usually only brought about by a partial separation of church and state.
The girl is underage, her legal guardian (in this case her father) can obstruct her maritial wishes. I cannot remember how old she has to be in the Emirates, 21 perhaps, like Kuwait. After that age, no one can obstruct the marriage legally.
Socially... that's another case, just like in any other country, a family can turn its back on any member they consider a "black sheep".
all I know is that in more than a decade here I have never heard of a muslim male being sent to jail or ostracized from society for not being a virgin so I don't see why muslim women cannot enjoy the same "tolerance"
Pixelsonic I see your point. I too think of it unfair. However, isn't it the same in every society? in the West, women too are heavily critisized if they are considered "too promiscous" yet a man's many one-night stands are awarded with a high-five. He's considered a "stud" while a woman who does the same is quickly labled as a "whore".
"Not to mention how much more the average ME people will now be against any form of secularization because of the Americans being in Iraq."
Americans are secular..yeah right..tell that to the bible thumping republican hordes that support born-again christian crusaders like bush & ashcroft
OK, someone has to tell me what the virginity test consists of, and how it quantifies the timeline of, uh, violation....
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hi guys just i want to ask about druz.hey sorry my english is too weak so dont mind.if a boy love a druz girl i mean to say they love each other so tell me how can they marry.pls tell me how?
one man said..
when you really know what druze means,you can comment
its a long blog so am not gona read it, am going to comment on the story.
first thing i'd like to point out is that i am a Druz, am going to try to explain to you what are the basics of the Druz religion. First of, our religion is based on the Koran And the bible, we are obliged to memorize both books. second, we are a very small religion counting 3 million worldwide, 300000 of theses are Lebanese and 860000 are Syrians. we mostly marry from our country but if a Lebanese Druz wanted a Syrian Druz, we have no problem with it.
problems like the one mentioned in this story are VERY uncommon as we are as our cult obliges us to defend our honor and the honor of any Druz. we live in specific towns known to be druz towns,so everybody is watching out for everybody and premarital sex is very uncommon.
My point is that this story is taken from a religious point of view... some seem to be saying "the father is Druz, if he was anything but Druz he would not have done it" I hope everyone reading or writing in this blog keeps an open mind, read ask and if you can meet a Druz community before you judge us, you'll be amazed by our culture and the education of this small religion. having said that, i would like to point out that this is not the Druz way to solve the problem they are facing. I personally think it is very wrong.
if anyone would like to ask any questions about the druz religion i will try to answer as much as i can!
I would like to know if Druz are Christian faith. I met a Druze who said that he is Christian. Is this possible? I heard that there is no such thing as Christian Druze. What is their religion exactly?
When speaking about racism, it may be as well to examine your own attitudes towards people from the UK.
Despite what you might think, there are educated, articulate, culturally aware shopaholics in the North of the UK. Brummies aren't all nightmares, and if you're judging a country you've either never visited, or on the basis of a few years spent in Lahndahn, then can I strongly suggest you spend a week in Manchester before you tar us all with the same brush.
Yours, becoming an avid reader, but pissed at the double standards
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