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04 December, 2005

Stop blaming the West

Sheikh Mohammed's vision strikes again. This time, he's telling Arab leaders to cut out the whingeing and blamemongering and sort out their own failures:

"It's unacceptable to justify that failure (to bring in reforms) was due to lack of means or because of heavy foreign intervention,' Gen. Shaikh Mohammed told a conference here.

"That implies a recipe for inactivity, laziness and excessive incapacity, and the people cannot bear more (of this)," Gen. Shaikh Mohammed asserted.


Sheikh Mo believes that signs of change and reforms are "a chance for liberation from disappointment, frustration and despair."

Superb, wise words. Hopefully Sheikh Mo will eventually deliver Dubaians from the disappointment, frustration and despair of the proxy: the UAE's greatest shame, and its greatest failure to embrace progress over redneckery.

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33 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm! does he count himself as 1 of the lazy ones or what?

04 December, 2005 18:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once again it's america's fault...hehehehe

04 December, 2005 18:56  
Anonymous Some guy said...

"Superb, wise words. Hopefully Sheikh Mo will eventually deliver Dubaians from the disappointment, frustration and despair of the proxy: the UAE's greatest shame, and its greatest failure to embrace progress over redneckery."

Proxy.. redneckery... could you elaborate on those? You lost me in the last paragraph.

04 December, 2005 22:07  
Blogger _sublime_ said...

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04 December, 2005 23:01  
Blogger _sublime_ said...

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05 December, 2005 01:02  
Blogger Tim Newman said...

Oh yeah, and this is one problem that the west defenitely CAN be blamed for.

This depends on how you define the west. The Soviet Union was the power that provided Saddam Hussein with his military equipment and capability (along with China) and gave hime the bulk of his support economically. At the time, and indeed at any time, the Soviet Union was never part of the west.

05 December, 2005 03:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Money can give you what you want, even the ability to utter stupidity over the media.

Sheikh Mo's act of courage and reminder to other Arab leaders over policies and progress, is another indication of his lac of grasp of current world affairs.

He fails to see the circumstantial evidence that prevails in those countries, like social security for the millions, education for the millions etc....

With less than a million locals sheikh mo can't even give them proper education in school, let alone manners, all locals are known for is their thuggery both in business and everyday life.

Show me a local expat somwhere in the world? They don't exist and there is a reason for that too!

05 December, 2005 06:21  
Anonymous trailingspouse said...

Some guy, SD is referring to Etisalat's proxy server which they use to block a variety of websites for one reason or another.

Latest on their target list are VoIP programs such as Skype. The latest news is that they have found some weasily software that will allow them to not just block the Skype website, but also the actual use of Skype and other internet chat software http://search.gulfnews.com/articles...1/10001807.html

Does this mean the end of MSN? . . Oh Noooooo :0

How long will DIC and those of us fortunate enough to live under it's umbrella be safe from the clutches of the Thought Police?

05 December, 2005 07:11  
Anonymous trailingspouse said...

BTW, how can I put a link in my text (one of those blue thingys), rather than just copy/paste the url?

05 December, 2005 07:13  
Blogger sandsOfTime said...

SD, I apologise for dragging this discussion here.

Anonymous: Exactly where does your hatred for locals come from?

05 December, 2005 07:42  
Blogger secretdubai said...

Anonymous@06.21 - your comments are a little ill-informed.

Citizens here get more generous welfare than probably pretty much any other nation in the world. Everything: schooling, university, health is free. Even sometimes housing. Utilities are subsidised.

Regarding the quality of education: (like the above) this is a Federal issue - ie the domain of Abu Dhabi not Dubai. That said, the education minister is just as disgusted as everyone else by the standard of UAE schools - search this blog for "Sheikh Nahyan" and you'll see what I mean - major reforms are being executed.

The reason for so few "local expats" is that their needs are very well met here. Those that are educated well enough to get jobs overseas are likely to find extremely senior positions here, due - as you note - to being in a minority among their peers as education is generally so poor here.

05 December, 2005 08:00  
Blogger Al Ain Taxi said...

Does this mean the end of MSN? . . Oh Noooooo :0

I love MSN. it saves me about 300 dirhams a month in international phone calls. It also keeps me sane...

05 December, 2005 08:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sh. Mo speaks great words but the only problem he seems to miss the point when it comes to his Dubai.

All these great projects big budgets but many stupid locals who have no idea of what they are doing are in charge. Just look at the staff turn over and you will know they are having problems. IT is sad that in this region they like to use big buzz words, like strategy, transparency, etc but fail in the simplest of tasks which is equality, ethics, and values.

Good examples are these nobodies who at some point were losers in their job have been appointed as CEO’s COO etc. One company that comes to mind DDIA otherwise know as Dumb Dumber Internationally Accredited that is run by a guy who really thinks he is a prodigy to this world called Saeed Al Muntafiq, what a loser. Perhaps Sh. Mo should look within first before preaching about the rest of the Arab world. Another example of losers international is the recently appointed CIO for Dubai Holding, Sabri Al Azazi, A person who was fired from his post in what was Data fort then fired from his post in ADNOC then cried to his dad who is a friend of another total loser called Ahmed Bin Bayat the Director General of Internet City (now go figure, the internet is borderless and they managed to to make a city????) who hired him as a CIO, go figure. YO Mo, wake up and smell the bull Sh. Cause Dubai looks good from 10,000 ft but once your on the surface it truly stinks. The only reason Dubai is so known is the entire region is filled with total failures. I guess I would rather be the last amongst the best than the best amongst losers…….

05 December, 2005 09:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow! harsh! yet some truth to it!

05 December, 2005 09:40  
Blogger Bizarrism said...

Hint #1
Learn about SOCKS and the tunneling protocols in order to enjoy the "free" internet.

05 December, 2005 11:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it'll be intersting to see if Bush blames himself or others when project-Iraq finally fails

05 December, 2005 12:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

_sublime_

if your opinion was worth the keyboard it was typed on, you'd be back in your own country working hard for your money, instead of hanging out here pretending

05 December, 2005 12:51  
Blogger _sublime_ said...

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05 December, 2005 22:13  
Blogger _sublime_ said...

anon above: not sure what you mean but and what makes you think I work any less harder here than I would back home? You don't know me, and you obviously don't know jack either.

A small clue: 16 years in the Gulf, 16 outside, university educated. So I don't think my opinions are any more underqualified than anyone else on this blog ;)

And at least I have an opinion, to offer instead of just flaming people (flaccidly, I might add).

*thumbs up*

/sarcasm


Oh yeah and Tim you do make a ncie point about the Soviet involvement in Iraq but I believe that they had ceased to exist about a decade or so before that other, western, world power (and friends) decided to invade a foreign country under a few well chosen, yet rather flimsy, pretexts.

05 December, 2005 22:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dubai sucks, period!

06 December, 2005 12:02  
Blogger sheikha cheryl said...

Ooh! "redneckery"...love that word.

06 December, 2005 13:19  
Blogger Tim Newman said...

Oh yeah and Tim you do make a ncie point about the Soviet involvement in Iraq but I believe that they had ceased to exist about a decade or so before that other, western, world power (and friends) decided to invade a foreign country under a few well chosen, yet rather flimsy, pretexts.

Oh. Well, if you're talking about the problem of Saddam Hussein post 1991, then I guess the West does share a lot of the blame, along with the Arab world, the UN, and a whole host of others. Of course, this line of argument falls apart if you did not consider Saddam Hussein to be any kind of a problem or threat between 1991 and 2003, but that's another issue.

07 December, 2005 05:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am no supporter of Saddam and hate him and his regime but everyone seems to be missing the point. The trail that is going on now only shows the double standard that is imposed in this region. An good example of this is the first charge he is being tried on “Dijail” incident. Let me tell you that if an attempt much like what happened in Dijail takes place on any Arab leader, and that include the gulf states I guarantee you that these leaders would exercise the same harsh action towards the people of the area that the assassination attempt took place in. Remember he was the president of Iraq and any attempt on his life would justify the action that followed. It is sad that Saddam seems to be blamed for everything under the sun when the all the countries in this region are doing similar atrocities to their people the only difference is that they committee them in secret and are not held accountable cause they have bent over for the west who seems to be policing this area. I bet you the west would handle it differently should any of the regions leaders decide to stand up and not agree with the so called free world. Another example is the chemical attack on the Kurds. Why are we not putting on trial Bush for using similar merciless tactics in Faluja. Also not justifying this but to my recollection the people who he used this on were traitors as they were helping the Iranians. I wonder what the Americans would do if a town in Florida help Cuba in infiltrating the us and causing damage to the American forces. Oh didn’t the USA round up all the Japanese during WW II and mistreat them, I wonder how many were tortured or killed in the process. I know what was done was inhumane but hey the USA the so called sheriff of the world are the only country who use Nukes and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians hmm why are they not on trial then.

All in all I am sick of this double standard in this world and I ask all the Arabs to stand up and make a change.

07 December, 2005 13:02  
Blogger Tim Newman said...

Another example is the chemical attack on the Kurds. Why are we not putting on trial Bush for using similar merciless tactics in Faluja.

Bad example. The USA did not use poison gas on the residents of Falluja, nor did they attack without warning thus eliminating the entire population of the town, nor did they bury several thousand in a mass grave afterwards, nor was the main purpose of their attack to eliminate a town of anyone belonging to a certain ethnicity. If you do not acknowledge this, you are outside the realms of serious political debate.


Oh didn’t the USA round up all the Japanese during WW II and mistreat them,

Yes, a shameful incident which the US government has formally apologised for.

I wonder how many were tortured or killed in the process.

Based on current historical documents, none.

...the USA the so called sheriff of the world are the only country who use Nukes and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians hmm why are they not on trial then.

The USA use nukes? Interesting that an event 60 years ago is still referred to in the present tense. It might also have escaped your attention that the USA used nukes during an all-out war with an entrenched enemy who refused to surrender and was willing to sacrifice the entire civilian population in doing so.

All in all I am sick of this double standard in this world and I ask all the Arabs to stand up and make a change.

Nice rhetoric. Now, can we see the plan of action?

07 December, 2005 13:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Tim then your are saying it is ok for Americans to kill innocent Iraqis using a weapon that melts their faces but keeps their clothes intact right. The weapons they used were just as bad as gassing the kurds my dear.

As for
“entrenched enemy who refused to surrender and was willing to sacrifice the entire civilian population in doing so.”

So it makes it ok to kill them all then

Listen Tim you seem to be a prejudice in humane person to except this ….maybe you should run for office. You fit the bill ….

07 December, 2005 14:38  
Blogger Tim Newman said...

So Tim then your are saying it is ok for Americans to kill innocent Iraqis using a weapon that melts their faces but keeps their clothes intact right.

Firstly, if you're referring to the use of white phosphorous, you should get your information on weaponry from accurate sources and not editorials in newspapers. Secondly, I've not suggested that it is okay for anyone to kill anyone in such a way (and had the US done so in Falluja - as the debunked RAI program alleged) then I would not do so either.
The weapons they used were just as bad as gassing the kurds my dear.

No, they weren't. On the criteria I proposed earlier, you seem to be finding yourself beyond the realms of serious political debate.

As for
“entrenched enemy who refused to surrender and was willing to sacrifice the entire civilian population in doing so.”

So it makes it ok to kill them all then.


No, and nor did I suggest it was. As far as I know, the US did not kill all Japanese on Japan during WWII (this is evidenced by there being an awful lot of people living on the islands now). But I believe the dropping of the bombs on Japan was fully justfified given the situation at the time, yes.

Listen Tim you seem to be a prejudice in humane person to except this ….

Coming from someone who is equating the US attack on Falluja to Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, this is highly ironic.

07 December, 2005 17:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Firstly, if you're referring to the use of white phosphorous, you should get your information on weaponry from accurate sources and not editorials in newspapers. Secondly, I've not suggested that it is okay for anyone to kill anyone in such a way (and had the US done so in Falluja - as the debunked RAI program alleged) then I would not do so either. “
Tim nothing debunked and it is no allegation the Americans admitted to. Get you facts straight. Not editorial huh, so then all what is being said is false in your one side view….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4442156.stm
so you get your facts straight
“No, they weren't. On the criteria I proposed earlier, you seem to be finding yourself beyond the realms of serious political debate. “

Judging your answers you have one sided view that justifies the wrong only when it suites you. To my recollection Saddam gassed, thought I don’t condone what he did, but he gassed them during the war with Iran and he did so because they would not stop helping the Iranians. So then it is Ok for the Americans to nuke civilians cause they were at war Japan or now Iraq and not OK for Iraqi army to do the same given Iraq was at war with Iran and the people in that city were traitors. Moreover who supplied Saddam with these weapons and who gave him the green light to use them. Much like the green light that was given to him to invade Kuwait. Let not kid our selves here we all know the agenda and who is making it.
Like I said your view is one sided and you seem to justify actions that suite your twisted reasoning.
No, and nor did I suggest it was. As far as I know, the US did not kill all Japanese on Japan during WWII (this is evidenced by there being an awful lot of people living on the islands now). But I believe the dropping of the bombs on Japan was fully justfified given the situation at the time, yes.

Oh now you negate all those people who died in naga and hiro. Also lets not forget the fire bombing of all the major cities in Japan where hundreds of thousands of civilian died. I am guessing by your name you are from Jewish origin so your views are racist since Israel is a racist country and most Jews have the opinion that all humans that are not Jewish have not value. Don’t twist facts to suit your argument.
Coming from someone who justifies mass killing cause it suits him and negates other mass killings cause the people who died are Arabs or non-whites you are highly confused and need to get a serious check up. Perhaps you should check your self in Abu Graib
One last point, I would like to see how your country and your people would react to being invaded, killed and ravaged all based on lies and invalid reasons. Then come and debate your views. I is easy to debate when you have not suffered a loss like the people of Iraq has suffered over the last 30 years. Obviously the objective of all this is to kill the Iraqi spirit and insure Israel is the dominant power in the middle east. I am not gona waste my time responding to you any more cause your views have no substance other the prejudice

07 December, 2005 18:38  
Blogger Tim Newman said...

I am guessing by your name you are from Jewish origin so your views are racist since Israel is a racist country and most Jews have the opinion that all humans that are not Jewish have not value.

Ah, this is more like it. I think I can see where you are coming from now. I can also understand why you choose to remain anonymous.

08 December, 2005 03:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim i guess you can't Answer cause you know it is the truth and your view is one sided and racist. Don't hide behind the Oh antisemite cloud of deception.....

08 December, 2005 21:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One final point....Timmy boy

Everyone knows that the invasion of Iraq was a bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of international law. Moreover the invasion was an arbitrary military action inspired by a series of lies upon lies and gross manipulation of the media and therefore of the public ... a formidable assertion of military force responsible for the death and mutilation of thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi people.

USA and britan have brought torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, innumerable acts of random murder, misery, degradation and death to the Iraqi people, and call it 'bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East'.

08 December, 2005 21:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Timmy boy, you can't seem to respond. Typical of your kind when faced with real facts.

11 December, 2005 18:05  
Blogger Jason said...

In Tim's defense, I think he had some very valid points. I've worked in Iraq, as well as other garden spots throughout this area of the world, so I think I speak with a little bit more credibility than the average Joe 6 pack. First of all, the difference between an unelected tyrant gassing his own people (not bombing them, which theoretically is instantaneous, vs gassing which is an agonizingly slow, tortuous death) and the US nuking Japan for the sole purpose of preventing tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of our soldiers from dying, is so glaringly apparent that I hasten to indulge the meager intellect of those who choose to make the assertion otherwise. Yes, it was a massive slaughter of civilians. Yes, I'm sure many other courses of action were considered, and agonized over, before reaching the decision to spare our soldiers' lives by choosing the nuclear option. And yes, I wish there had been some other way to prevent Japan from its clear and stated desire of taking over the entire pacific for itself...but I wasn't there, and can't second guess the decision of our duly elected president, whom the majority of the US population voted for and put in office. Now...regarding our invasion of Iraq. I'm not sure where people, including many in the media, get away with saying we, the US, are responsible for the killings of tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. There have certainly been unintended and tragic losses of life in Iraq due to US action, but trust me, as a person who has worked there for 9 months on a security detail, when I say that the OVERWHELMING majority of Iraqis want us there, to this day. Loud minorities always get tons of airtime, whether it's Baghdad, Palestine, New Orleans, or wherever, but they very rarely represent the facts of the matter at hand (and yes I was in New Orleans, Gulport, Waveland, etc. 1 week after the storm and have plenty to say about that...another time). We...the US AND the coalition in Iraq, are doing great and fantastic things every single day in Iraq to make it a better place, but why would that get reported?? That would require the reporters to actually LEAVE their hotels! They certainly won't do that, unless they have literally 6 or 7 military vehicles taking them around, and even then we're talking about having to have a major reason to step outside that lobby brother, I promise you. So, that means Al Jazeera and Al Iraqiya get to video all the car bomb footage, then sell it to the other news agencies, and that makes up the entirety of the news from Baghdad for that day. When the US spends several weeks telling everyone to get out of Falluja, and also clearly states that we intend on going in there and killing anyone who resists, then who the hell would stay behind? Especially knowing that a bunch of Marines were about to invade the city?? I can't give extra IQ points to those who were innocent but simply chose to stay. In fact, I put them in the very same category as those other geniuses who chose to stay in New Orleans...
Now does that mean we can kill them willy nilly? Of course not. But all of you who haven't been there can't imagine the pains the military goes through, down to the last man, to try and prevent innocent people from dying. It's a major consideration during every single action we take over there. But in the end, the Marines had to take Fallujah. Regarding WP...I'm not sure about that...I know we use it for illumination. I would like to learn more about what exactly happened there before I comment. You that commented on it before, you obviously have an in-depth knowledge of the facts, I'm impressed. Were you there? Or did you read about it in the NYT? Or maybe hear about it on CNN? All very trustworthy and "military-friendly" sources, of course...
Please Please Please don't believe that America went over to Iraq and succeeded in nothing other than killing a bunch of innocent people. The decisive majority of innocents killed have been by "insurgent" (read: terrorist) actions. I saw enough body parts strewn on roads minutes after car and pedestrian suicide bombs to know that it wasn't our soldiers killing those people. I truly believe the only way you can get to the truth on this issue is to A. Use that grey matter between your ears, or B. Go there yourself.
Fire away folks,
Jason

31 December, 2005 21:42  
Blogger Jason said...

Oh and one more thing...
Anonymous, you stated that the US and Britain "...have brought torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, innumerable acts of random murder, misery, degradation and death to the Iraqi people". I have one question...do you honestly think the Iraqi people haven't lived with all of these things (save the depleted uranium) under Saddam Hussein's rule? Do you think the barking dogs and "cheerleader pyramids" the prisoners in Abu Ghraib had to "endure", in any way, shape, or form, comes close to the heinousness of Hussein's acts?? I've seen the lions and their cages designed to lower in people to be eaten, and the beautiful Jacuzzi next to the cage in which Uday and Qusay would lounge and enjoy the spectacle.
Please sir, don't make such ridiculous comparisons. The sheer idiocy of your argument only highlights your ignorance of well-documented public knowledge, thus tainting your other arguments, which, if they are fortunate enough to receive attention from someone far more eloquent and persuasive than yourself, may gain validity.

31 December, 2005 22:06  

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